Wild A. borellii and trifasciatus anyone?

[aquaticclarity]

I have the oppurtinity to bring in some wild borellii and trifasciatus. Estimated pricing is at $12-$15 each. Let me know ASAP if you would like any and I'll see if I can get the order in.

 

[aquaticclarity]

Estamated Price Correction:

borellii $8-$10 each
trifasciatus $9-$11 each

Also on the list that I'll try to get in (maybe instead of the trifasciatus):

Dicrossus maculatus Tapajos $20-$25 each

 

[jaafaman]

Count me in for some of the borellii.

I'd go for the Dicrossus if they were filamentosus...

 

[wethumbs]

What about some Dicrossus sp. "Tabajos"?

 

[aquaticclarity]

What about some Dicrossus sp. "Tabajos"?

I think that's what the "D. maculatus" will actually be D. sp. Tapajos. It is the only Dicrossus on the list.

 

[jaafaman]

Any idea of a time frame?...

 

[aquaticclarity]

Slated to come into the US around the 18th of this month. (unless the order gets pushed back for reasons outside of my controle)

 

[aquaticclarity]

Here's what I ordered for arrival the week of the 18th:

Apistogramma borellii
Apistogramma caetei
Apistogramma trifasciata
Corydoras caudimaculatus
Dicrossus maculatus
Laetacara cf. curviceps Buckelkopf...what's the real name now?


And the list of subs in order of preferance if any of the above doesn't fill:

Pterophyllum scalare Arltamira
Laetacara dorsigera
Corydoras cf. schwartzi CW028
Corydoras haraldschultzi
Corydoras sterbai

 

[Mike Wise]

Here's what I ordered for arrival the week of the 18th:

Apistogramma caetei

How much $$?

Laetacara cf. curviceps Buckelkopf...what's the real name now?

Laetacara araguaiae

 

[aquaticclarity]

Laetacara araguaiae

Thanks Mike. Are my emails to you getting through?

 

[jaafaman]

Thanks for the update - looking forward to the 18th...

 

[wethumbs]

Laetacara araguaiae

Are the ones only from Rio Araguaia called araguaiae or also those from Rio Marajo? If not, then you may want to ask which river the Laetacara cf. curviceps Buckelkopf are from.

 

[aquaticclarity]

These are from the Araguaia accourding to the info on the sheet.

The A. caetei are from the Marajo though.

 

[Mike Wise]

The A. caetei are from the Marajo though.

Hot Dog! I sure hope this is true. The true A. caetei doesn't occur on the Ihla de Marajo. The Marajo form is more colorful (A. cf. caetei Rotwangen/Red-cheeks).

 

[aquaticclarity]

O.K. Mike...

So what should I expect with these:

Apistogramma borellii Paraná...no idea on this locational info
Apistogramma trifasciata Guapore...I'm expecting cf. trifasciata or possibly sp. Mamore

It's so nice to have an expert around to help with all of these fish! I'll be sure to get photos up of all of the Apistos that come in. Then the REAL fun begins!

 

[Mike Wise]

Well, if the borellii are from the Río Paraná system, they are a southern population and I'd expect nice blue fish with less yellow. The Guaporé trifasciata will probably be the honey-yellow backed form, but A. erythrua is found in the same system. It could be either.

 

[aquaticclarity]

A. erythrua is found in the same system.

What a name! So WHY did Staeck and Schindler name sp. Mamore that???!

 

[Racine Vice]

Wow, A. erythrua is stunning. I'm interested in those too (if you happen to get them)!

 

[wethumbs]

Hot Dog! I sure hope this is true. The true A. caetei doesn't occur on the Ihla de Marajo. The Marajo form is more colorful (A. cf. caetei Rotwangen/Red-cheeks).

So A. cf caetei "Marajo" is the same as A. cf Caetei "Rotwangen/Red-cheeks"?

What about A. cf caetei "Capim", "Paraguay", and "Guama"? This is giving me a headache.

 

[Mike Wise]

So A. cf caetei "Marajo" is the same as A. cf Caetei "Rotwangen/Red-cheeks"?

What about A. cf caetei "Capim", "Paraguay", and "Guama"? This is giving me a headache.

OK, "Marajo" is a collecting locality; "Rotwangen" is a descriptive name for a caetei-complex form that is found on the Ihla de Marajó. They are the same fish. The form was originally introduced as A. caetei in the late 1970s, but renamed "Rotwangen" when it was discovered to be a different form. A. cf. caetei "Capim" occurs in the Rio Capim. According to Ready, et al. (2005) it is genetically the same species as A. cf. caetei "Guamá" from the Rio Guamá - and these 2 populations of the same species are genetically different from the true A. caetei, which occurs in Atlantic coastal streams farther south (Rio Caeté, Rio Apeú, Rio Gurupi, and Rio Turiaçu). A. sp. Paraguay is a caetei-complex species that arrived in shipments of fish from Paraguay in the 1980s. It is not known where it actually comes from. It is possible that the fish were collected somewhere in Brazil and then shipped to Paraguay to be shipped to Germany. We know that Laetacara araguaiae is also found in Paraguay, but it is believed to be an "exotic" species that escaped form Paraguayan fish exporters that sold the same fish as "Aequiden curviceps" at the time.