Oops... Orange Flash X Double Red Coc. spawn

[dwarflover]

I have a tank with both orange flash and double red cockatoo apistos. I used to have a male cockatoo apisto, but he died a few months ago, leaving behind his mate, and two daughters.

Today, when I came home, I found my cockatoo female and orange flash male have spawned! Oops.
Theres a little over 50 eggs from what I can count, and they are a nice amber color.

What in the world is this cross going to look like? Has anyone seen this cross spawn before?

Will they have a mix of color and patterns? Or a mix of orange flash, and double red?

I'm seperating the female and her eggs tomorrow and will raise this spawn anyway, even though it was accidental.

 

[slimbolen99]

Have you ever eaten apisto eggs? They are surprisingly tasty. Although, I like corydoras eggs the best. I've accidently 'destroyed' a couple of apisto spawns (batches of eggs) and decided to taste them. Not bad at all! I had a bunch of mixed cories that would breed every three days. I just scraped the eggs off the glass and ate them...rather than raising hybrid fish.

 

[dwarflover]

eww....grosss. im not eating them...

 

[Cooder]

Not gross really, considering that people eat caviar. much the same, but wouldnt they be really small?

just destroy the eggs, or u can raise them and see what they look like, what species is the orange flash? im guessing agassizii, if they are the same species just different colour morphs then i guess you could label them as a different colour strain.... i dont think they would be though, hybrids are frowned upon

 

[prototop]

Is there a distinct wild population of cacatouides, that these red strains have been breed from? I would imagine that some populations are easier to 'colour red' then others. I would also imagine that 'orange flash' and 'double red' are quite close in genetics. Isn't the term 'hybrid' used for mixing different species and not domestic colour forms?

Personally, i would not start mixing WC fish of the same species from different locations. But these, properly highly inbred, domestic strains, I wouldn't beat myself up for interbreeding. Might even be good for the fish, to get some new genes in the pool.

 

[dwarflover]

Well, a snail ate the eggs >:C So won't have any mixed fish for now. Im taking the Orange Flash to a seperate tank anyway.

Yes, they are very closely related fish, almost the same fish other than different colors.

 

[dw1305]

Hi all,

almost the same fish other than different colors.

They aren't hybrids, they are just 2 domestic colour forms of the same species, A. cacatuoides.

What in the world is this cross going to look like? Has anyone seen this cross spawn before?
Will they have a mix of color and patterns? Or a mix of orange flash, and double red?

I crossed an Orange Flash male with a Triple Red female, and the resulting male off-spring had fin colour from yellow through to bright red, all with black chequering. I've subsequently found out fin chequering is dominant.

cheers Darrel

 

[dwarflover]

Hi all,
They aren't hybrids, they are just 2 domestic colour forms of the same species, A. cacatuoides.

I crossed an Orange Flash male with a Triple Red female, and the resulting male off-spring had fin colour from yellow through to bright red, all with black chequering. I've subsequently found out fin chequering is dominant.

cheers Darrel

Cool! Do you have any pics?

 

[Apistomaster]

Below is a photo of the progeny I obtained from breeding a Triple Red with the Gold/White form of A. cacatuoides.
IMO, I think the White/Gold form arose from an Orange Flash strain.

 

[dwarflover]

pretty fish!

 

[Mike Wise]

I don't know how the gold morphs of A. cacatuoides were developed, but breeding gold to gold produces weak fish. Many breeders, therefore, out-cross gold to another color morph, usually a red form or orange flash.

 

[cichlidmac]

I think I have one that was a orange, double red cross.

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[Mike Wise]

Maybe, but I have photos by Ernesto Roa of a male Yellow-gold X Double Red in which the body is entirely yellow with double red fins. Many double reds show mixed colors (blue, yellow, gray) on the body.

 

[Apistomaster]

My photo only shows a few of the 155 A. cacatuoides I obtained from that spawn and they ran the gammut as Mike mentions above. That was my personal largest number of mature Apistogramma obtained from a single breeding.
Ironically not me or anyone who bought them ever bred them. I don't know why. My intention was to breed them to get some all gold/whites since it seems to be recessive to the normally pigmented fish.