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Apistogramma sp. "Green Spot" - Puerto Maldonado

Discussion in 'South American Cichlid Identification' started by Drayden Farci, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. Drayden Farci

    Drayden Farci Active Member

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    Hello! Any help ID-ing this fish would be appreciated. Sold as A. sp. "Green Spot" and from Puerto Maldonado. Video is not the best but they appear to be mostly blue-bodied. Fairly obvious caudal spot that spans almost the width of the body at the tail. First few dorsal rays are black in all specimens. There doesn't appear to be much sexual dimorphism apparent at the moment.

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    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Looks like a resticulosa-complex species. There is an undescribed resticulosa-complex species found in the Rio Madre de Dios in Peru and Bolivia.
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    Thanks Mike! We will continue to watch them and if they color up more I will attempt to get a better video.
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    Any update on these guys? do they still look like in the video?
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    Yes, they look largely the same. However, when they are happy and not stressed (when I am not standing there with a camera in their face!), they darken up and the "green spot" becomes more apparent. You can see the shine on the scales in some of them, but it is much more drastic when they are truly colored up. I would be interested to see how they look in an established tank.

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    Are you sure they have been collected near Puerto Maldonado? To me these fish look like an eunotus-subcomplex species, maybe A. cf. eunotus "Schwanzstreifen/Tail-stripes". However, I don't know of any reports about collecting any eunotus-subcomplex species in this area.
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    There is no reason to suspect they were caught somewhere else than what they were labeled as.
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    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Except when the collector wants the collecting location kept secret. You'd be surprised at how much 'corporate espionage' exists between collectors in the Amazon.
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    Another possibility might be that an exporter/dealer brought them to the Puerto Maldonado area and released them there to have easier access to them...
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    I will keep trying to capture their color in different moods. They are very camera shy. Perhaps some brine shrimp to distract them..
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    Here are a few updated pictures of several males and one particularly energetic female. You can finally see the origin of the "Green Spot" trade name.

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    It's A. cf. eunotus (Schwanzstreifen/Tail-stripes).
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    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Frank is correct. Note the split in the vertical bar on the caudal peduncle (Bar 6). This is a typical feature seen on eunotus-subcomplex species. Also note that these fish may have been exported from Puerto Maldonado, but do occur there.

    One other thing, I didn't look at the latest series of photos until Frank responded because the files were just so large and took too long for me to upload. 3.5 Mb photo files aren't really necessary. For me anything over 800x800 pixels (~ 0.5 Mb) is usually a waste of bandwidth. Just an old curmudgeon's rant in general - not directed only at you.
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    Thanks all. I'm not sure I understand or see the split you are referencing. I see the lateral band does not connect to the caudal spot but that is the only split.

    Mike, you mention Puerto Maldonado - did you mean they do (not) occur there, or do occur there? Sentence structure reads as though (not) was omitted accidentally.

    Regarding photos - phone camera is set to take highest quality photos it can, and I upload directly from there. Will keep it in mind.

    Moved these fish to a new tank with more cover and some gravel and they have colored up nicely.
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    From my description of apisto species-groups (http://apisto.sites.no/page.aspx?PageId=116)
    ... Many, but not all species of the eunotus-subcomplex develop one or more split vertical bars on the posterior half of the flanks when in threat display. These splits are formed from scales that become light colored in the 5th, 6th and rarely 7th vertical bars below the lateral band (3). ...


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    You are correct I should have said "Also note that these fish may have been exported from Puerto Maldonado, but do not occur there." The eunotus-complex is distributed in the Peruvian Amazon, from the Río Ucayali to the borders of Colombia/Peru/Brazil. The upper Río Madre de Dios system, where Puerto Maldonado is situated, is considered part of the Bolivian Amazon/Rio Madeira system.
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