• Hello guest! Are you an Apistogramma enthusiast? If so we invite you to join our community and see what it has to offer. Our site is specifically designed for you and it's a great place for Apisto enthusiasts to meet online. Once you join you'll be able to post messages, upload pictures of your fish and tanks and have a great time with other Apisto enthusiasts. Sign up today!

Which dwarf cichlid pair for a 13 gallon?

anewbie

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Messages
2,702
I didn't say pair, but single male. You know me well enough to know I wouldn't recommend a pair of anything for a community. ;)
Do you know anything about this fish - or the domestic sold in europe. THe original male I had was green and really quite large close to 3 inch with tall body - but most of the ones I've tried aquiring since that one have been blue and 1/2 the size after 18 months. The only thing i know is most of the domestic ones (wild haven't been availalbe for a long time) come from cz but the first one i had was hobby bred with unknown origin for the parents.

The other thing is the original one i had was really quite clever and a fast learner as his environment changed over the years but the ones since him ahve been as stupid as a rock.
 

MacZ

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Messages
4,323
Location
Germany
Do you know anything about this fish - or the domestic sold in europe. THe original male I had was green and really quite large close to 3 inch with tall body - but most of the ones I've tried aquiring since that one have been blue and 1/2 the size after 18 months. The only thing i know is most of the domestic ones (wild haven't been availalbe for a long time) come from cz but the first one i had was hobby bred with unknown origin for the parents.

The other thing is the original one i had was really quite clever and a fast learner as his environment changed over the years but the ones since him ahve been as stupid as a rock.
Which fish? Is there a picture missing?
 

Yoannikko

Member
Messages
44
Location
France
Hi,

I have a male A. borellii in a 15 gallon currently, which has a 16x15 inch footprint (41x39 cm), and he's doing very well. Granted, he is a little on the small side even for a borellii, but I would not put him in anything smaller. His parents were in a tank with a 24x12 inch footprint (60x30 cm), and I would not put a pair in a tank this small again. At first the male chased the female around a bit, but once brood was involved, it was the other way around. Though not as agressive as other Apistogrammas, I believe my female stressed the male out enough that it got sick and ended up passing away.

Which Rasboras are you planning on adding to the tank ? Though I'm not personnally a fan of mixing geographic locations, if their needs are similar, why not I guess.
I was initially thinking of adding some "dither" fish to my 15 gallon, as I have one surviving Hyphessobrycon amandae, but the square dimensions aren't really ideal for this. It will be more feasible in a rectangular tank. No matter the species, I would not add less than 10 individuals, as these types of fish live in big groups in nature.
 

MacZ

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Messages
4,323
Location
Germany
but once brood was involved, it was the other way around. Though not as agressive as other Apistogrammas, I believe my female stressed the male out enough that it got sick and ended up passing away.
Seen this happening directly with A. hongsloi, A. ortegai, A. trifasciata, A. agassizii and A. bitaeniata. Reports include A. cacatuoides, A. elizabethae, A. borellii and at least 5 other species. Interestingly I've ONLY seen this in Apistogramma, but never in species of the A. nijsseni-complex.
 

Tiff

New Member
Messages
28
Wow, you lot really know your fish! Very happy I found you! (This will be my first apisto)
 

Tiff

New Member
Messages
28
I always have kind of a "meh"-feeling when mixing continents, but this will work out, just as with small tetras.
What would be a same-continent small shoaling fish that likes the top third of the tank? I’m happy to change my plans!
 

Tiff

New Member
Messages
28
I’ve chosen!
  • Nannacara anomala
Just can’t stop looking at pictures of them.

I’ll start a new thread with the exact (correct) details of my tank, water etc. I’m not going to be ready for him for a few weeks so can still change in response to advice. I just wanted to thank you all!
 

anewbie

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Messages
2,702
I’ve chosen!
  • Nannacara anomala
Just can’t stop looking at pictures of them.

I’ll start a new thread with the exact (correct) details of my tank, water etc. I’m not going to be ready for him for a few weeks so can still change in response to advice. I just wanted to thank you all!
If you get a large green male he will be a predator and you will need a decent size tetra which might be difficult in a small aquarium. However some pygmy cory might work. Mine tend to buz around mid to upper level esp if there are plants at the top.
 

Tiff

New Member
Messages
28
If you get a large green male he will be a predator and you will need a decent size tetra which might be difficult in a small aquarium. However some pygmy cory might work. Mine tend to buz around mid to upper level esp if there are plants at the top.
Oh - I wanted about 10+ rasboras espei with him - is he going to predate them?
 

MacZ

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Messages
4,323
Location
Germany
If you get a large green male he will be a predator and you will need a decent size tetra which might be difficult in a small aquarium.
Considering the sale sizes of Nannacara, I think this is a none-issue in most cases.
However some pygmy cory might work. Mine tend to buz around mid to upper level esp if there are plants at the top.
Those will take any cichlid trying to eat them with them because of the fin spikes.
 

Yoannikko

Member
Messages
44
Location
France
Hello,

If you like Rasbora espei, then there really is nothing preventing you from getting them (apart from personnal preference) as water parameters should be similar to the Nanacara. I've never owned Nanacara, so don't know about the predation part.

South American alternatives to T. espei include Hyphessobrycon amandae, Paracheirodon simulans, Hyphessobrycon elachys, Nanostomus marginatus, etc.
 

Tiff

New Member
Messages
28
Hello,

If you like Rasbora espei, then there really is nothing preventing you from getting them (apart from personnal preference) as water parameters should be similar to the Nanacara. I've never owned Nanacara, so don't know about the predation part.

South American alternatives to T. espei include Hyphessobrycon amandae, Paracheirodon simulans, Hyphessobrycon elachys, Nanostomus marginatus, etc.
Hello! Thank you, and I’m going for the nanostomus!
 

MacZ

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Messages
4,323
Location
Germany
Hello,

If you like Rasbora espei, then there really is nothing preventing you from getting them (apart from personnal preference) as water parameters should be similar to the Nanacara. I've never owned Nanacara, so don't know about the predation part.

South American alternatives to T. espei include Hyphessobrycon amandae, Paracheirodon simulans, Hyphessobrycon elachys, Nanostomus marginatus, etc.
Indeed, nothing against it, but the tank size is limiting a lot.
 

Yoannikko

Member
Messages
44
Location
France
Hello! Thank you, and I’m going for the nanostomus!
I've never owned them, but I've had a soft spot for them for a while. They are a beautiful fish imo, and are very peaceful apparently.

Indeed, nothing against it, but the tank size is limiting a lot.
Yes, agreed. Though the T. espei would have been ok in this tank I would think. With a tank this size, you have to focus on microfish, as more popular ones like P. innesi or axelrodi would be too big.
 

MacZ

Well-Known Member
5 Year Member
Messages
4,323
Location
Germany
@Yoannikko


You missed this thread. ;)
 

Yoannikko

Member
Messages
44
Location
France
@Yoannikko


You missed this thread. ;)
Hhaha, thanks for the link ! But I did find it, right after posting my previous reply ^^

I see the final stocking decision has been made, and it's a good one imho :)
 

Members online

No members online now.

Forum statistics

Threads
18,703
Messages
124,172
Members
13,589
Latest member
rozyjuise

Latest profile posts

Platforma SaldeoSMART automatyzuje obieg dokumentów i odczyt faktur (OCR) w firmach oraz biurach rachunkowych. System jest gotowy na zmiany prawne, a integracja z ksef pozwala na bezpieczne wysyłanie i odbieranie e-faktur ustrukturyzowanych.
dimandobson wrote on Ben Bergman's profile.
Hi Bergman. I have a pair of breeding dwarf cichlid for sale. if you are still looking, drop me your whatsapp number and i will send some videos to your whatsapp
Good-backlink.com - Professional website promotion, get more traffic to your website and improve ranking by using high PR link building service.
martin_c wrote on illumnae's profile.
Hi,

just in case you happen to live in Germany (or Netherlands): I have a wildcaught female A. psammophila, you could have it for free. I have no use for it anymore.

BR
Martin
Top