WC Apistogramma sp. "Ipiranga" from Brazil

[miguelgr7]

These are the first photos I have of them and they are adapting well, they still need more color but with more time they will look great

 

[rasmusW]

Nice photos.. looks a bit like a blue a. Barlowi.

-r

 

[Mike Wise]

A. sp. "Ipiranga" is a barlowi-complex species from western Brazil. Other than A. sp. "Elzeniense", found near Manaus, this species is located farther east than any other now known barlowi-complex species. We know very little about Ipiranga, not even if it mouthbroods at times.

 

[miguelgr7]

A. sp. "Ipiranga" is a barlowi-complex species from western Brazil. Other than A. sp. "Elzeniense", found near Manaus, this species is located farther east than any other now known barlowi-complex species. We know very little about Ipiranga, not even if it mouthbroods at times.

Good info Mike

 

[Apistonaut]

Would love to see them in a week or so. Please do update!

 

[miguelgr7]

Would love to see them in a week or so. Please do update!

I'll do that when they get better established, they still have 3 days with me.

 

[rasmusW]

A. sp. "Ipiranga" is a barlowi-complex species from western Brazil. Other than A. sp. "Elzeniense", found near Manaus, this species is located farther east than any other now known barlowi-complex species. We know very little about Ipiranga, not even if it mouthbroods at times.

Ah! Thanks for clarifying, Mike!

-r

 

[anewbie]

Do you know what the target temperature of these fishes ? The only info i could find on the river suggest 75 to 78.

 

[miguelgr7]

Do you know what the target temperature of these fishes ? The only info i could find on the river suggest 75 to 78.

I don't have any information yet because they are new.

 

[MacZ]

Do you know what the target temperature of these fishes ? The only info i could find on the river suggest 75 to 78.

Their range is pretty much spot on the equator. Expect high numbers, rather than low ones.

 

[mk_0816]

How aggressive are your Ipiranga? I put a juvenile pair in a 40G breeder with a good amount of wood, leaf litter, and botanicals, but the female frequently chased the male and eventually killed him (or so I suspect).
Not sure what I should do with the lone female now.
Do you want the female? Alex doesn't have any more, unfortunately, and I'd prefer that the fish goes to someone who actively breeds them.

 

[miguelgr7]

How aggressive are your Ipiranga? I put a juvenile pair in a 40G breeder with a good amount of wood, leaf litter, and botanicals, but the female frequently chased the male and eventually killed him (or so I suspect).
Not sure what I should do with the lone female now.
Do you want the female? Alex doesn't have any more, unfortunately, and I'd prefer that the fish goes to someone who actively breeds them.

The couple I have is not aggressive, they paired up quickly, I was lucky

 

[anewbie]

I suspect aggression occurs when the female

Their range is pretty much spot on the equator. Expect high numbers, rather than low ones.

How high? 78-82 sound good ?

 

[MacZ]

26-28°C, yes.

 

[apisto_fan4evr]

How aggressive are your Ipiranga? I put a juvenile pair in a 40G breeder with a good amount of wood, leaf litter, and botanicals, but the female frequently chased the male and eventually killed him (or so I suspect).
Not sure what I should do with the lone female now.
Do you want the female? Alex doesn't have any more, unfortunately, and I'd prefer that the fish goes to someone who actively breeds them.

@mk_0816 I bought a pair from Alex several months ago. Unfortunately, the female past away. The remaining male has been lonely. If you still have the female, I would love to relocate her. PM me if you do, we can work out the details. Thanks!

 

[anewbie]

A. sp. "Ipiranga" is a barlowi-complex species from western Brazil. Other than A. sp. "Elzeniense", found near Manaus, this species is located farther east than any other now known barlowi-complex species. We know very little about Ipiranga, not even if it mouthbroods at times.

It definitely mouth broods as by the time i see the frys they are already quite large and sturdy - and almost none die but the brood is always smallish around 15ish.

 

[anewbie]

I can make a few comments about this species based off my pair:
they are friendly enough but once maturity and bonding occurs (they appear to be pair bonding) deaths can suddenly occur to other members. My pair have bred several times and as far as I can tell they are definitely mouth brooders and the released frys are fairly large with the count small but the success rate of those release being very high. I currently have two adults with around 14 to 18 off springs - some of the off springs are approaching adulthood and i begin to think maybe there might be an eventual issue - the spawns where male heavy at 78ish so i have lower the temp a degree or two in case they breed again to see if they will generate more females. The tank is 65 (48x16).
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Originally i started with 2 females and 2 males - every day i fed them all 4 would be close proxmity and no obvious aggression and then one day i went down and the 2nd male was dead (i presumed killed) - the 2nd female went into hiding. Many months later (6? 8?) she showed her self briefly trying to persuade the male to switch partner and then after chased off went back into hiding. She could very well still be alive but i have my doubts (i gotta figure out a way to make these aquariums have detectors for live hiding fishes). i recently removed a couple of the f1 to give to someone but have some left (though mostly males). The original pair i think is close to 2+ years old with owner ship now over 18 months. I've not heard of other people breeding them so i'm unsure. For now i will leave them in the 65 and i guess let them sort it out but when i move in approx 22 months i will try to improve their situation - maybe setup a 2nd tank with another pair. They are not flashy but they are very calm fish showing no nervousness.

If someone needs a male i could probably snag one but each time i try to catch one it gets harder as they become more aware of the evil net.

 

[apisto_fan4evr]

@anewbie I'm in the market for a few females. Let me know if you or someone you know is willing to part any females.

 

[Levin Tilghman]

These are the first photos I have of them and they are adapting well, they still need more color but with more time they will look great

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They remind me of Panduros or Nijssenis. They must be part of that species complex.

 

[Frank Hättich]

They remind me of Panduros or Nijssenis. They must be part of that species complex.

No, they belong to the barlowi-complex within the atahualpa-group.