Please help! Apistogramma id.

[Ayazad]

Hi everyone. I bought three pairs of Apistogramma bitaeniata putumayo wild. I received a trio of Bitaeniata and three unknown Apistogrammas. Can you help me identify them?

Thanks.

 

[Ayazad]

May be its apistogramma sp.Putumayo?)

 

[Frank Hättich]

May be its apistogramma sp.Putumayo?)

For sure not! A. sp. Putumayo is a cruzi-subcomplex species. This one is an agassizii-subcomplex species. If they are in fact from the Rio Putumayo, it can be A. cf. agassizii (Rio Putumayo).

 

[Ayazad]

For sure not! A. sp. Putumayo is a cruzi-subcomplex species. This one is an agassizii-subcomplex species. If they are in fact from the Rio Putumayo, it can be A. cf. agassizii (Rio Putumayo).

I also initially thought it was one of the Agassizii. The idea with sp.putumayo was suggested by AI and some photos on the Internet seem very similar to me.

 

[Ayazad]

I ordered the Apistogrammas from Aquarium Glaser in Germany. Perhaps they mixed them up when collecting, but their stock list doesn't include the natural forms of Agassizii, only selectively bred varieties (double red, fire red and others).

 

[KenL]

That doesn’t look like any agassizii I’ve ever seen. Maybe once the fins grow back it will.

 

[MacZ]

I ordered the Apistogrammas from Aquarium Glaser in Germany. Perhaps they mixed them up when collecting, but their stock list doesn't include the natural forms of Agassizii, only selectively bred varieties (double red, fire red and others).

Glaser's website is known to be a good source on fish but Frank Schäfer who writes basically all articles for their catalogue is a generalist and not such a specialist in south american dwarf cichlids as our Frank, Tom and Mike. So it is entirely possible that he makes mistakes when IDing the fish and so a whole shipment might end up being sold labeled incorrectly. Don't get me wrong, I admire the man for his encyclopedic knowledge, but nobody can be a specialist in everything.

 

[Ayazad]

Glaser's website is known to be a good source on fish but Frank Schäfer who writes basically all articles for their catalogue is a generalist and not such a specialist in south american dwarf cichlids as our Frank, Tom and Mike. So it is entirely possible that he makes mistakes when IDing the fish and so a whole shipment might end up being sold labeled incorrectly. Don't get me wrong, I admire the man for his encyclopedic knowledge, but nobody can be a specialist in everything.

I ordered 3 pairs - 6 fish. Of these 3 were 100% bitaneates, 1 male and 2 females. Glaeser was clearly mistaken about the other three. It's possible that Glaeser's wild fish from Rio Putamayo included other apistos. But they are all listed as Bitaneata.

 

[Mike Wise]

The Rio Putumayo has both A. agassizii and A. bitaeniata co-existing together so it looks like Glaser's shipment was a mix. The fish in the photo is definitely a member of the agassizii-complex.

 

[MacZ]

I ordered 3 pairs - 6 fish. Of these 3 were 100% bitaneates, 1 male and 2 females. Glaeser was clearly mistaken about the other three. It's possible that Glaeser's wild fish from Rio Putamayo included other apistos. But they are all listed as Bitaneata.

This does prove my statement true. Mistake on their part.

 

[Ayazad]

 

[Mike Wise]

There are populations of A. agassizii in much of the Rio Putumayo, but this fish looks more like the forms found in the lower Amazon (south of the main channel and east of the Rio Madeira). The agassizii-complex species are known for their polychromatism, but the fish in the photos look nothing like photos that I have of A. agassizii forms from the middle Rio Putumayo. Aquarium Glaser has made mistakes before, but most importers have, too.

 

[illumnae]

Glaser definitely can make mistakes. I just got a different fish in the 3 pairs of Apistogramma psammophila I ordered, and probably only 1 female, maybe none

 

[Ayazad]

Hi everyone. I bought three pairs of Apistogramma bitaeniata putumayo wild. I received a trio of Bitaeniata and three unknown Apistogrammas. Can you help me identify them?
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Thanks.

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[Mike Wise]

A. agassizii form but which one is hard to say without positive collecting location data.