Cruzi ID?

[mematrix]

Hi All. I aquired a pr of apistos a while back. I have finally gotten some pics of them and was hopeing to have you guys look at them. Maybe you all can tell me if they are cruzi or regani I have researched pics on web and books and have found that they both look very simular. Herer are links to pics. :wink:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/965040/Acruzi1.JPG
http://img,villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/965040/Acruzi2.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/965040/Acruzi3.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/965040/Acruzi5.JPG

Sincerely Curtis

 

[cdawson]

Looks like cruzi, looks just like the male I have.

 

[Mike Wise]

Too many fish come in under the name "A. cruzi". Most fish offered as "A. cruzi" are some other fish. The true A. cruzi, from the Rio Napo system, is very rare in the hobby. Your fish could be any of a number of species: A. cruzi, A. sp. Nanay (= A. sp. Melgar/Bleeding/Bleeding-heart), A. sp. Putumayo (= A. sp. Algodon II), even A. gossei. Your photos are too out-of-focus to see the abdominal stripes & other features needed to accurately identify the species. If you can send better photos then I might be able to ID them.

 

[mematrix]

More pics

Here are some more pics
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/965040/Acruzi9.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/965040/Acruzi2.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/965040/Acruzi7.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/965040/Acruzi6.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/965040/Acruzi8.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/965040/Acruzi4.JPG

Thease are what I could get so far they wont stay still.LOL
Sincerely Curtis

 

[Mike Wise]

The fish in the photos are too small for any accurate ID, but it looks like the male has some spots in the tail fin. If so, this is not A. cruzi. A. cruzi has a bicolor tail fin, orange upper lobe & pale pink lower lobe, with no spots. If I was forced to give an ID, I would say that it might be A. sp. Tahuayo.

 

[Rolo]

The fish in the photos are too small for any accurate ID, but it looks like the male has some spots in the tail fin. If so, this is not A. cruzi. A. cruzi has a bicolor tail fin, orange upper lobe & pale pink lower lobe, with no spots. If I was forced to give an ID, I would say that it might be A. sp. Tahuayo.

They're pretty similar, you're right. it was my first thought, too.
But I don't think, they are A. sp. "Tahuayo".
It seems, they have no splitted horizontal bars. (Okay, they don't have to)
It also seems, that they have a white seam at the dorsal. Mine don't have that. The female also look different.

I have fishes, bought as A. sp. "Azul", which are probably A. sp. Tahuayo. You can see pics of it at our homepage.

For me, they look more than A. sp. Putumayo or something close related, but indeed, the pics are not useful, to separate such similar species from each other.

greetings,
Rolo