Apisto. viejita II

[Richgrenfell]

i picked these guys up yesterday, this is a few of the males I have. I'll get some photos of the females later today hopefully....


http://www.geocities.com/[email protected]/apistos.html

 

[Bert]

Incredible

The look like ....what was that movie called?
'The Incredibles'!

 

[_BaDgUy_]

They are really nice.

I really love it when they get nice long fin extensions like that!!

 

[depthc]

Awesome fish youve got. Good photography also.

 

[Richgrenfell]

Here's a couple of the females, not as good as the male shots, but you get the picture!

http://www.geocities.com/[email protected]/viejitaf.html

 

[scott]

those are great looking fish!
i wish i had the space now!

 

[JG]

Nice fish and pics Rich.

J

 

[Richgrenfell]

Thanks again for the compliments folks. Scott, like I said, I have 3 extra pairs for sure, possibly 4. I could hold them like you asked, but only if you were pretty sure you'd take them. Let me know.....

Rich

 

[scott]

Rich,
i'll deffinitely take them as soon as i get rid of the dempsey's in about 2 weeks time. thanks alot i really appreciate it. i don't know how it is for you in connecticut but it is very rare for me to find quality dwarves locally so i try not to pass them up when anything is available and those are some beautiful fish. if i can get rid of the dempsey's sooner i'll let you know.

 

[Richgrenfell]

OK Scott, i'll hold them I sent you a PM with details. I do find it hard to get quality stuff locally in the stores, but alot of my fish friends breed dwarfs so I can uaually get some nice stuff. i am pretty tight with Mr. Soares as well, and he's always a good source too, and I haven't found anyone that can touch his prices!I am usually hunting for uncommon stuff. I currently have about 30 or so uaupesi growing out, and hope to get some pairs from them as well.

Rich

 

[Mike Wise]

Beautiful fish, Rich. I, however, would have called them A. macmasteri. It seems to have a lot of the macmasteri traits: deep body, truncated double tipped tail fin, lack of red tips on the dorsal fin, and a red shoulder pattern typical of "Red-shoulder Macs"/Rotrucken macmasteri. That's the problem with identifying domestic strains - too many changes from the original and possibly crosses between several different macmasteri-complex forms. Still a fish worth keeping and breeding.

 

[Richgrenfell]

hi MIke,

I definately respect what you say. These guys are however, F1 from wilds that came in as viejita II which I beleive were purchased from mike and Jim down in florida. I do suppose that they could have come in as viejita and really been macmasteri though. Thanks for the Input, though, I always welcome your opinion especially.

Rich

Beautiful fish, Rich. I, however, would have called them A. macmasteri. It seems to have a lot of the macmasteri traits: deep body, truncated double tipped tail fin, lack of red tips on the dorsal fin, and a red shoulder pattern typical of "Red-shoulder Macs"/Rotrucken macmasteri. That's the problem with identifying domestic strains - too many changes from the original and possibly crosses between several different macmasteri-complex forms. Still a fish worth keeping and breeding.

 

[kribs]

Hi rich mike and jim didnt get wild vejita II they got chech/german bred ones. Also really nice fish and keep us posted on the breeding.

 

[Richgrenfell]

Thanks for the info kribs. I was just going by what they fellow that sold them to me said. he bought them some time ago though, they weren't on a recent shipment. I took a good look, and mike is correct, they are mcMasteri after all. Nice fish though!

Rich

 

[scott]

i currently have a few pairs of wild A. eremenpyge that i have been working with. beatiful fish but skittish like you wouldn't believe. in about 3 months i've only had 1 spawn and the female ate the eggs after i unknowingly but my hand in the tank during routine maintainence.

 

[scott]

oops! sorry i posted that in the wrong place!

 

[kribs]

You are correct rich this was a while back.

 

[Richgrenfell]

Just to let you folks know. I pulled a trio and put them in a 29 high. I now have both females guarding eggs! I 'll keep you posted, and see if I can't get some pics of the guarding females up for you.

Rich

 

[scott]

i picked up 4 pairs of these fish from rich. currently i have two batches of free swimming fry and one clutch of eggs. my question is for mike i guess since he seemed to think these fish were a cross. are they a cross between macmasteri and veijita or 2 forms of macmasteri. i don't want to give these fish to anyone if they are hybrids. mike said that they are "worth keeping and breeding" but would i be introducing fish into the hobby that could contaminate the gene pool.

 

[Mike Wise]

These fish are no different than the color strains of red swordtails (X. helleri x X. maculatus) - lovely looking fish, but still a mix of species. Are your fish hybrids? Probably, but there are at least 3 species that are very closely related & might be just variants of A. macmasteri. Wild A. viejita & A. sp. Black-chin/Schwarzkehl var. Red-flecked/Rotflecken (= 'A. viejita' CFII in Linke & Staeck) do not develop a squared off tail or have caudal extensions. These features are found on A. macmasteri. This leads me to think that there is a lot of mac in your fish. I would just call them "Domestic 'A. viejita' Color Form II"; that's what they are sold as in the hobby. If anyone asks, just say that there's a good chance that in this strain the fish have mixed parentage.