Apisto Jurensis or Schwarzkinn ?

[bigbird]

Hi All,

Sold as Jurensis, but I think Schwarzkinn ?
Please advise

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thanks jk

 

[Mark]

Well the black chin is very obvious so it is the Schwarzkinn.

Mark

 

[Rolo]

Well the black chin is very obvious so it is the Schwarzkinn.

Well, A. juruensis and even A. cacatuoides have a black chin, too.
Nevertheless, the fish in the picture is A. sp. Schwarzkinn.
A. juruensis and A. cacatuoides have blue lips, A. sp. Schwarzkinn has orange lips.

regards,
Rolo

 

[dw1305]

Hi all,
I'm pretty sure that (Mike W? said that) the Brazilian A. juruensis was either very rare or not actually present in the hobby at the moment. These are "Schwarzkinn", presumably along with all/nearly all the other fish labelled "A. juruensis"?

The A. juruensis illustrated in "Mayland and Bork:South American Dwarf Cichlids" looks a real stunner.

cheers Darrel

 

[Mark]

Hey Rolo, you're right! I thought bigbird wanted us to chose between Juruensis and blackchin. Blackchin it is (all the fish exported as juruensis I have seen always is blackchin).

Mark

 

[Mike Wise]

The A. juruensis illustrated in "Mayland and Bork:South American Dwarf Cichlids" looks a real stunner.

The only problem is that none are the true A. juruensis. The fish on page 82 and page 83 (right) are A. cacatuoides (no separate caudal spot) and the fish on page 83 (left) appears to be A. sp. Schwarzkinn/Black-chin.

 

[dw1305]

Hi all,

The only problem is that none are the true A. juruensis.

Thanks Mike, I had a feeling you were going to say that, and I did initially put the specific epithet in "".

What about the very blue fish on page 80 of Mayland and Bork? that was the one that really caught my eye.

cheers Darrel

 

[Mike Wise]

Based only on this photo, which shows the dark markings poorly, my guess is that it is A. juruensis. I really don't like M&B's over-the-top photo postprocessing. They are very 'unreal'.