Any opinion on keeping red tail eunotus or sp Winkelfleck

[anewbie]

I have a mostly empty 29 - it has a few pangio in it and 2 red tail otto; thinking of getting a. eunotus or a. sp winkelfleck since those are what seems to be availalbe in wc. I thought about getting Ivanacara adoketa but they might kill the pangio.

Any comments a. eunotus or a. sp winkelfleck ?

 

[MacZ]

Winkelfleck. just because.

 

[Apistoguy52]

Second the winkelfleck, sneaky good looking fish

 

[anewbie]

Ok i went with the sp. winkelfleck. This is a picture of the male; the one of the female is lower quality. He has marking around the face but is facing the wrong way. The aquarium i put them in is a 29 with ec 55 and a few left over pangio of different species:

 

[anewbie]

marginally better images - 2 of the male one of the female:

 

[rasmusW]

Looking forward to see them color up.

-r

 

[anewbie]

Finally a 1/2 decent picture of the male:

 

[anewbie]

Short video of the female since she won't sit still; she is behaving a little breeding-ish in that she keeps dashing into the coconut shell (top hole) and the male no longer picks on her.

 

[rasmusW]

Looks like the color is there too.

-r

 

[anewbie]

Looks like the color is there too.

-r

Yea; i can't really figure her out - i don't think she has eggs but she darts into her coconut shell so often who knows. She really is a nice looking fish in person - lets just see how long i can keep them alive. The ec is around 45-55 for that aquarium; i can't measure ph reliably anymore so given up trying to guess - it could be anywhere between 6 and 8. I have no clue what temp they should be kept at so i keep them around 76.

 

[anewbie]

Well female B has itsy bitsy fry; female A had bred at least 4 times without having anything hatch but B (which is about 30% smaller finally bred; totally caught by surprise didn't even know she laid eggs - so not sure how old they are or what they have been eating. I tossed in some encapsulate shrimp eggs when i saw them and will try to hatch some bbs but not sure. Took some pictures but they sucked as the back of the aquarium needs a good cleaning - she is very protective of them.

 

[anewbie]

a very poor picture of mom with the frys; it appears to be a big spawn:

A few tidbits; this aquarium (29) has kuhli loaches as permanent resident; it also has 10 tiny sterbai temporarily (wasn't expecting a spawn since the eggs kept not hatching and these sterbai came in too small for their target aquarium - about 1/2 inch - the sterbai are terrified of the winkelfleck (why i don't know they are very gentle) so they have all collected far away from the spawn site; the male has been keeping the other female away from the spawning female. Anyway I'm super excited while I'm sure experts can spawn winkie day and night - I was really disappointed when the other female eggs would never hatch and had given up.
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On an unrelated side note my wolli had a spawn even though the male is only 1 inch 3 weeks ago; i didnt' feed them fry food since i could never see their location (mom is very very shy); however somehow the frys have made it and are growing - not a lot but at least 4 maybe more - so i tossed in some encapsulated brine shrimp eggs and she brought them out and they stuffed their little tummy with eggs. But the winkelfleck are the ones that really excite me. I mean i still don't know how many wolli i have in the tank because they never let me look at them; how can you be excited about something you can't see. Anyway i type too much guess i'm getting old and stupid in the head.

 

[anewbie]

I should mention the wolli tank is much more satisfying to the purist - it is a 29 (lots of water) with basically 9 fishes - 6 Nannostomus marilynae (should add a few more - i really like these); and 3 or 4 1 inch wolli. To be precise I see 1 wolli every day who greets me (a 1 inch male); i see 1 female once a week if i'm lucky; i saw hint of a second fish likely female due to yellowish complextion shadowing the female with frys one day but only seen it once in 3 weeks and i haven't seen the fourth in 4 weeks - i know that 3 of them dug little pits along a piece of driftwood that is approx 24 inches long and when i saw one of them that wan't the male and female it was sticking its nose out but then retreated when it noticed me. Hum.... maybe i should setup a baby monitor to see who is in that aquarium. I don't know. Oh well this is so far off topic but at least i think i'll finish my thought - I have geo that like to splash me in the face when i feed them; krobia that want to be petted (i try to avoid that since i think it might damage the slime coating); and wolli who want nothing to do with me. On the bright side only the flag cichild actually bite my fingers.

 

[anewbie]

I think i was mistaken and the one that greets me every day i now believe is a third wheel female. I saw the male nose today which i think is the first time since the post above so around 6 weeks? No clue how large it is or what colour or pretty much anything else. One of these days i want to get a good look at him as he is suppose to be a nice looking fish....

 

[anewbie]

I think i was mistaken and the one that greets me every day i now believe is a third wheel female. I saw the male nose today which i think is the first time since the post above so around 6 weeks? No clue how large it is or what colour or pretty much anything else. One of these days i want to get a good look at him as he is suppose to be a nice looking fish....

Who knows maybe it is a male when i went to feed the fishes the brooding female was locked lip with it. The things they do when i'm not around; she noticed me enter the room and immediately dashed back behind the driftwood. As to size it is the same size as the female and doesn't have an orange outline tail i would expect of a wolli male. Hum. I think this is a bad thread to talk about wolli so last post in this thread on wolli.

 

[anewbie]

I still have baby winkelfleck ! Ok - so for about four weeks i labor feeding these guys bbs and then one day they all vanished. Mom was still protecting the general area but no frys were ever visible. Now some 3 weeks later i see winkies swimming to the top to eat food while their parents are eating. They are tiny little things but still kicking. I really do wonder why dad doesn't just swallow em but oh well at least i still have winkies !

 

[anewbie]

Seems like a large number from her 2nd brood made it so now i'm flooded with baby winkies (as well as sp Blutkehl and wolli). One big difference is the parents are mostly ok with the winkies and Blutkehl (some nearly an inch) but the wolli are already getting snappy at their frys as small as 3/4 inch; and one of those little frys look like a female with bright yellow - i would think they would be too small for breeding and such but some of them shocked me at their size - i hadn't seen them in 2 or 3 months and poof 3 of them show up looking like mini-adults.