Apisto mix from Colombia

[Tom C]

I've got many beautiful apistos from the Inirida area, Colombia.
Here are some of them.
But to identify these Apistogramma uaupesi - like beauties, is (too) difficult....

 

[Larry Rogers]

I've got many beautiful apistos from the Inirida area, Colombia.
Here are some of them.
But to identify these Apistogramma uaupesi - like beauties, is (too) difficult....

Appears to be a morph of inridae

I've got many beautiful apistos from the Inirida area, Colombia.
Here are some of them.
But to identify these Apistogramma uaupesi - like beauties, is (too) difficult....

Appears to be a morph of iniridae, threadfin dwarf cichlid.

 

[Tom C]

...Appears to be a morph of iniridae, threadfin dwarf cichlid.

Thank you for your input.
However: Adult males of Apistogramma iniridae have oval caudal fins, that might be squared off on the posterior end:

They normally don't show any caudal fin extensions...
I think my fishes might be found among forms of A. uaupesi, A. sp. "Blutkehl/Cutthroat", A. sp. "Segelflossen", A. sp. "Putzer", A. flabellicauda
and A. lineata.

 

[Frank Hättich]

are these beauties the long anticipated D1, D4, and D5 Tom?

 

[Tom C]

No, I'm sorry Frank.
Unfortunately I did not succeed in getting either the D1, D4, D5 or D6 (the latter is really spectacular!) home, as I hoped, this time.
But I'm working on it..., and hope to succeed later this year.

 

[Frank Hättich]

I'm very much looking forward to D6 then When you speak of A. lineata, do you mean the fish in the last of the above pics? Shape and pattern of the caudal fin seem to be correct, at least. Would be nice to finally see a picture of a live A. lineata, because I think the pics I have seen so far of supposed A. lineata don't show this species.

 

[Mike Wise]

I have photos of A. lineata collected at the type locality by Heiko Bleher and Chris Englezou about a year ago. None of Tom's photos match A. lineata. The last fish shows no rows of abdominal spots that are seen on A. lineata. My guess is that its a young, not fully developed uaupesi-like species.

 

[Frank Hättich]

you are right Mike, but usually abdominal markings are quite mood-dependent and therefore I didn't rated their abscence in the above picture as something that already rules out A. lineata. Do the abdominal spots of A. lineata never vanish completely?

 

[Mike Wise]

I haven't seen enough photos of this species in various moods, but all that I have seen show at least a dusky spot on the posterior edge of scales below the lateral band.

 

[Larry Rogers]

I haven't seen enough photos of this species in various moods, but all that I have seen show at least a dusky spot on the posterior edge of scales below the lateral band.

I obviously need to up date my literature and studies. You guys have mentioned several l am totally unfamiliar with. It has been years since I initially studied apistos and I have kust gotten back into them in the past two years. Time to hit the books. Any good current recommendations?

 

[dw1305]

Hi all,

I obviously need to up date my literature and studies. You guys have mentioned several l am totally unfamiliar with. It has been years since I initially studied apistos and I have kust gotten back into them in the past two years. Time to hit the books. Any good current recommendations?

Try Tom C's web site. <"Welcome to Martin and TomC..">.

cheers Darrel

 

[Mike Wise]

There are no current books, good or otherwise.

 

[Larry Rogers]

There are no current books, good or otherwise.

Well that is not good. What is my best research avenue?

 

[dw1305]

Hi all,

Well that is not good. What is my best research avenue?

From earlier in the thread, try Tom C's web site. <"Welcome to Martin and TomC..">.

I can't recommend it highly enough, but make sure you have a lot of free time, because it is quite addictive.

cheers Darrel

 

[Colossus]

Hello all,

Are they "true" lineata?

 

[Mike Wise]

Hard to say from these photos. They don't show the pattern in the caudal fin very well. Under what name were they sold?

 

[Colossus]

They weren't sold but given by Uwe Werner.

 

[Mike Wise]

OK. For a positive ID, I need a good photo of the pattern on the caudal fin. You might want to ask Werner if he knows where the fish were collected. He usually knows this information.

 

[Colossus]

Unfortunatly I don't have additional pictures because the male passed away 1 month ago.
Uwe told me he caught the fishes in Venezuela but I don't know were exactly.

 

[Mike Wise]

I'm sorry to read of your loss of the male. Without knowing the caudal pattern it would be hard to separate A. uaupesi, A. lineata, and A. flabellicauda. In most every respect these 3 forms all share identical characteristics in fins, body shape, scales, and dark markings. Römer (CA1) already noted that A. uaupesi is polychromatic - even within a single spawn. I, like Staeck hints (BB285), wonder if this group of species is more likely just a single species (A. uaupesi) that shows minor population differences. At best it is a superspecies, like A. agassizii (sensu lato). The only way to know for certain is for someone to do genetic tests on all 3 forms.