viejita or macmasteri

[Juergen]

Can someone help to ID this Apistogramma please? They have been supplied as A. viejita II.
I recon it's just A. macmasteri?
Thanks.

 

[bbetta]

I've been told A. Viejita II is a colourful form of A. Macmasteri.

Billy

 

[Juergen]

Well, what's about the fish in the photo?

 

[bbetta]

As I said, probably Macmasteri

 

[Juergen]

Mike Wise?

 

[Frank Hättich]

It's a macmasteri Juergen

 

[Mike Wise]

Frank is correct, A. macmasteri.

 

[Juergen]

Thanks guys. Is this because the female doesn't have black colouration on throat and belly?

 

[Mike Wise]

Like females of A. macmasteri, A. viejita females do not show a pronounced black throat. You are confusing A. viejita with A. sp. Schwarzkehl/Black-throat. In many older books Schwarzkehl was labeled "A. viejita Color Form III". "A. viejita Color Form II" (also known as A. sp. Rotflecken/Red-flecks) is a more colorful population of A. sp. Schwarzkehl that was collected in small lakes and pools. Sadly, CF II/Rotflecken disappeared from the hobby in the mid-1980s. Breeders later started selling colorful wild and domestic strains of A. macmasteri as "A. viejita II" for the past 25 years.

 

[Juergen]

Many thanks Mike!

 

[Frank Hättich]

here's a picture that shows the coloration of the throat region of a viejita female



and here (click) you find a picture of a A. sp. Schwarzkehl/black-throat female as mentioned by Mike.