my a. elizabeth

[anewbie]

These are the three fishes I purchased as a. elizabeth. The goal was 1m 1f so it was 1m and 2 potential females. I believe I have 1m and 2 females. I've had them for just short of 3 weeks. The first week only the male was out; the 2nd week i would occasionally see one of the female and starting late last week all three are always visible when i look.

male:

female 1:
(this is the more passive female):

This is female 2 the more aggressive one - at first i was thinking it might be a male but after looking at the pictures i'm back to thinking it is a female:

It is a bit fuller body than the other 'female' and it has a 'black dot' left of the eye below the lateral line. The other female is distinctly more yellow. As far as i can tell they look like any other elizabeth i've seen pictures of though i suppose they will get larger over time.

 

[MacZ]

Do you recall the name of the Bucephalandra in the background? Sorry, I'm amidst a discussion on those on another forum this very moment and now I'm curious.

 

[anewbie]

One of them is a version of b kedang (i had ordered two different version) - this is the fine plant since in picture f2. It arrived in very bad shape but the rhizome was alive and it has started to regrow.

either kedang classic 87 or kedang 615

Kedagang Classic 87 - Borneo Aquatic

Bucephalandra is Aquatic Plants which only grow in isolated regions and can be only found in Borneo Island, Indonesia. The photo is representative, plant is healthy and in the good condition. It is sold per clump.

borneoaquatic.com

Kedagang 615 - Borneo Aquatic

Bucephalandra is Aquatic Plants which only grow in isolated regions and can be only found in Borneo Island, Indonesia. The photo is representative, plant is healthy and in the good condition. It is sold per clump.

borneoaquatic.com

 

[MacZ]

Thank you!

 

[Frank Hättich]

The two supposed fenales show a distinct gap between lateral band and caudal spot. I haven't seen this in any elizabethae so far. Imo they are likely a different species.

 

[anewbie]

The two supposed fenales show a distinct gap between lateral band and caudal spot. I haven't seen this in any elizabethae so far. Imo they are likely a different species.

any idea which species ?

 

[anewbie]

The two supposed fenales show a distinct gap between lateral band and caudal spot. I haven't seen this in any elizabethae so far. Imo they are likely a different species.

Actually is the male elizabeth? Looking at tom's picture of the male the tail look distinctly different but it is hard to tell because in neither my picture nor tom's the tail is not fully extended.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Actually is the male elizabeth? Looking at tom's picture of the male the tail look distinctly different but it is hard to tell because in neither my picture nor tom's the tail is not fully extended.

Your male is elizabethae.

any idea which species ?

My guess is A. brevis.

 

[anewbie]

Your male is elizabethae.


My guess is A. brevis.

ok thanks. I found two species that occur with elizabeth but tom didn't have pictures of a brevis and it is nothing like a. uaupesi.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Here are some pictures:
https://www.aqualog.de/en/lexikon/apistogramma-brevis-4/
https://www.aquaportail.com/especies/ficha/pez/3482/apistogramma-brevis
https://fishbase.mnhn.fr/photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=46595

 

[anewbie]

Here are some pictures:
https://www.aqualog.de/en/lexikon/apistogramma-brevis-4/
https://www.aquaportail.com/especies/ficha/pez/3482/apistogramma-brevis
https://fishbase.mnhn.fr/photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=46595

Ouch if those are picuters of males ... then i could very well have m/f brevis in there.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Ouch if those are picuters of males ... then i could very well have m/f brevis in there.

I think the first link is a male, second a female and third male & female.

 

[anewbie]

Does the female elizabeth have a lateral line or just a lateral 'dot'. The species description shows a lateral line but not sure if that is just for male.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Does the female elizabeth have a lateral line or just a lateral 'dot'. The species description shows a lateral line but not sure if that is just for male.

Depending on mood, males and females can show a continous lateral band or two lateral spots at the positions of vertical bars 2 and 3.

 

[anewbie]

Depending on mood, males and females can show a continous lateral band or two lateral spots at the positions of vertical bars 2 and 3.

Do you agree the two a. brevis are m/f with the f1.jpg being the female and f3.jpg being the male?

 

[Frank Hättich]

I'm not able to sex them at this size.

 

[anewbie]

I'm not able to sex them at this size.

Ok thanks. The current fishes are around 1.25 inches long do they get much larger than 1.5 inches ? It is also my understanding that brevis and uaupesi co-habit with elizabeth in the wild.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Ok thanks. The current fishes are around 1.25 inches long do they get much larger than 1.5 inches ?

I don't know buit my guess is that males may reach 7cm.

It is also my understanding that brevis and uaupesi co-habit with elizabeth in the wild.

Can very well be the case, especially for A. uaupesi and A. elizabethae: their type-localities are in the very same river merely a few hundred meters apart from each other. The type-locality of A. brevis is in a different river, but merely some kilometers away - see here.