my a. elizabeth

[anewbie]

These are the three fishes I purchased as a. elizabeth. The goal was 1m 1f so it was 1m and 2 potential females. I believe I have 1m and 2 females. I've had them for just short of 3 weeks. The first week only the male was out; the 2nd week i would occasionally see one of the female and starting late last week all three are always visible when i look.

male:

female 1:
(this is the more passive female):

This is female 2 the more aggressive one - at first i was thinking it might be a male but after looking at the pictures i'm back to thinking it is a female:

It is a bit fuller body than the other 'female' and it has a 'black dot' left of the eye below the lateral line. The other female is distinctly more yellow. As far as i can tell they look like any other elizabeth i've seen pictures of though i suppose they will get larger over time.

 

[MacZ]

Do you recall the name of the Bucephalandra in the background? Sorry, I'm amidst a discussion on those on another forum this very moment and now I'm curious.

 

[anewbie]

One of them is a version of b kedang (i had ordered two different version) - this is the fine plant since in picture f2. It arrived in very bad shape but the rhizome was alive and it has started to regrow.

either kedang classic 87 or kedang 615

Kedagang Classic 87 - Borneo Aquatic

Bucephalandra is Aquatic Plants which only grow in isolated regions and can be only found in Borneo Island, Indonesia. The photo is representative, plant is healthy and in the good condition. It is sold per clump.

borneoaquatic.com

Kedagang 615 - Borneo Aquatic

Bucephalandra is Aquatic Plants which only grow in isolated regions and can be only found in Borneo Island, Indonesia. The photo is representative, plant is healthy and in the good condition. It is sold per clump.

borneoaquatic.com

 

[MacZ]

Thank you!

 

[Frank Hättich]

The two supposed fenales show a distinct gap between lateral band and caudal spot. I haven't seen this in any elizabethae so far. Imo they are likely a different species.

 

[anewbie]

The two supposed fenales show a distinct gap between lateral band and caudal spot. I haven't seen this in any elizabethae so far. Imo they are likely a different species.

any idea which species ?

 

[anewbie]

The two supposed fenales show a distinct gap between lateral band and caudal spot. I haven't seen this in any elizabethae so far. Imo they are likely a different species.

Actually is the male elizabeth? Looking at tom's picture of the male the tail look distinctly different but it is hard to tell because in neither my picture nor tom's the tail is not fully extended.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Actually is the male elizabeth? Looking at tom's picture of the male the tail look distinctly different but it is hard to tell because in neither my picture nor tom's the tail is not fully extended.

Your male is elizabethae.

any idea which species ?

My guess is A. brevis.

 

[anewbie]

Your male is elizabethae.


My guess is A. brevis.

ok thanks. I found two species that occur with elizabeth but tom didn't have pictures of a brevis and it is nothing like a. uaupesi.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Here are some pictures:
https://www.aqualog.de/en/lexikon/apistogramma-brevis-4/
https://www.aquaportail.com/especies/ficha/pez/3482/apistogramma-brevis
https://fishbase.mnhn.fr/photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=46595

 

[anewbie]

Here are some pictures:
https://www.aqualog.de/en/lexikon/apistogramma-brevis-4/
https://www.aquaportail.com/especies/ficha/pez/3482/apistogramma-brevis
https://fishbase.mnhn.fr/photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=46595

Ouch if those are picuters of males ... then i could very well have m/f brevis in there.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Ouch if those are picuters of males ... then i could very well have m/f brevis in there.

I think the first link is a male, second a female and third male & female.

 

[anewbie]

Does the female elizabeth have a lateral line or just a lateral 'dot'. The species description shows a lateral line but not sure if that is just for male.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Does the female elizabeth have a lateral line or just a lateral 'dot'. The species description shows a lateral line but not sure if that is just for male.

Depending on mood, males and females can show a continous lateral band or two lateral spots at the positions of vertical bars 2 and 3.

 

[anewbie]

Depending on mood, males and females can show a continous lateral band or two lateral spots at the positions of vertical bars 2 and 3.

Do you agree the two a. brevis are m/f with the f1.jpg being the female and f3.jpg being the male?

 

[Frank Hättich]

I'm not able to sex them at this size.

 

[anewbie]

I'm not able to sex them at this size.

Ok thanks. The current fishes are around 1.25 inches long do they get much larger than 1.5 inches ? It is also my understanding that brevis and uaupesi co-habit with elizabeth in the wild.

 

[Frank Hättich]

Ok thanks. The current fishes are around 1.25 inches long do they get much larger than 1.5 inches ?

I don't know buit my guess is that males may reach 7cm.

It is also my understanding that brevis and uaupesi co-habit with elizabeth in the wild.

Can very well be the case, especially for A. uaupesi and A. elizabethae: their type-localities are in the very same river merely a few hundred meters apart from each other. The type-locality of A. brevis is in a different river, but merely some kilometers away - see here.

 

[anewbie]

Rather than start a new thread here is an update on the aquarium:

I'm sure all the scapist will tell me this is too open though in truth the bottom under all the leaves is nothing but hardscape in the form of a long piece of drift wood. The tetra you see are a cross between morse code and hummingbird. The primary difference in behavior is that the morse code tetra don't move much and just sit idle while the humming-bird sort of 'vibrate' in place sort of like a humming bird so they are always moving a little. The thing on the right is the base of a red mongoose tree that extends all the way up through the house and on to the moon.

A female - the scales look akward due to magnification.

Some sort of buce which giant leaves that keep getting larger - it grows like a medium size echinodorus.

Another buce that has started developing a bit more colouring.

Nutrition deprived s. repens. I suppose i should count my lucky fingers it is able to grow.

this one isn't magnify as much but the scales just seem off a little not sure what to make of it. Maybe another wc fish that is no longer pure ?

The lovely male i had was killed off by the a. brevis (see top) before i could remove them. I have another a. elizabeht in here (not pictured) that might be a young male - the tail seems to just be forming a bit but it is probably too early to say - so i will cross my fingers and hope.

While they are not always out and about they usually show up when i feed them - very different than the a. wolli which i see once in a blue moon. My defective male died (he could never swim) but i'm sort of hopeful one of the f1 will be a male else they will be maleless (i say sort of because i have my doubts). In truth i only see two young ones now and then the others i never see 'cept hints now and then - a flashing tail or what have you.

Makes me wonder if keeping a fish you never see is keeping a fish.

 

[dw1305]

Hi all,

Rather than start a new thread here is an update on the aquarium.I'm sure all the scapist will tell me this is too open though

I think it is fine, as long as you keep the leaves topped up.

....... Makes me wonder if keeping a fish you never see is keeping a fish....

I think it is. I rarely see any of my fish, unless I sit in front of the tank and wait.

I look at as the fish are living their "natural lives" and that is a good thing.

Cheers Darrel