More ID help

[Evan]

OK,

I am out of tank space so this should be the last Apisto I need help with for a little while. This is a single pair of Apisto's. They were wild caught and exported out of Peru.

Thanks again!

 

[Rolo]

Hi,

Not easy.... but I would say, they are juvenile A. eunotus (male and female)

regards,
Rolo

 

[Evan]

I got a few pics with slightly better coloration.

Do these help any?

 

[Evan]

I got a couple more shots with darker coloring.

For reference, these guys are young but actually pretty big. The female is close to full grown if not full grown and the male is big enough to spawn. Maybe 2" or so.

 

[Mike Wise]

Thanks for the additional photos; they help a lot. The fish show no splits in the posterior vertical bars. This removes most eunotus-like forms. It is a eunotus-complex fish, however, probably a cruzi-like form (dorsal fin not particularly high; very narrow postorbital stripe in front of a moderately broad lateral band; distinct abdomonal stripes). My best guess is that it is a population of A. sp. Putumayo.

 

[Apistomaster]

Wild mushroom collectors have a category called LBM's, little brown mushrooms and we have LGA's, little gray Apistos, like yours that are similar to but different from whatever you think they are. Actually, I imagine they can appear quite pretty when they want to.

 

[Evan]

The fish show no splits in the posterior vertical bars. This removes most eunotus-like forms. It is a eunotus-complex fish, however, probably a cruzi-like form (dorsal fin not particularly high; very narrow postorbital stripe in front of a moderately broad lateral band; distinct abdomonal stripes). My best guess is that it is a population of A. sp. Putumayo.

Thanks Mike.

I spent a good portion of the night last night reviewing all my books trying to figure out what this could be. I had originally discounted "Putumayo" because Koslowski had noted in his book that it head a separated caudal spot. However, after reading it again after your comments it seems that it only applies to the A85 form and not the A86 form.

On a side note, Die Buntbarsche Amerikas Band 2 along with your translation is really quite excellent. Especially when combined with the Datz book for better pictures.