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Adoketa

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Here you go. This is a followup from my post in the Species forum.
I'll try to answer some questions:

1. Do the photos show the fish's head/body shape accurately (as perpendicular to the camera as possible; not head on or tail on shots)?


2. Does it show the fish's finnage accurately (raised spines, spread tail)?

3. Does it show the fish's dark markings on the head, body and fins accurately? These are the most important diagnostic features on apistos. These dark markings are best seen on stressed/frightened males and females in a neutral mood. This is why it is helpful (to me) that photos of the female be provided if possible.
I will try to get pictures of a stressed male and female.

4. What was the name that the fish was sold as? Sometimes it hints at what it is; sometimes not, but it doesn't hurt to add this information.
No english trade name given

5. How large is the fish in the photo? Juvenile/small specimens are next to impossible to identify down to species level. Size of mature specimens can be very useful.
The fish are about 6 to 7 cm TL. With females lacking the blue and red coloration on the cheeks. Seems to be one of the easiest species to sex so far.


6. Is the fish domestically bred? Most domestic fish are either accurately identified or at least have a commercial name that can be cross referenced.
No, the fish is supposed to be a wild caught specimen. The chinese trade name is translated into sapphire flame (after the blue irids and red spot on the cheeks)


7. Is the fish wildcaught? Wildcaught fish usually show diagnostic features better because they haven't been altererd by line breeding. If it is wildcaught, can you find out which country/region that the fish came from? If one can eliminate species from some areas, it helps to narrow down the possible species that it can be. Were there any contaminant (by-catch) fish in the shipment? Sometimes these 'oddballs' can indicate the country of origin of the apisto.
Seller claims the fish came from Peru, locality unknown. There were many Apistogramma in the shop at the time, as it was a South american fish importer.
 

Mike Wise

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Well the additional information doesn't help much. These fish are probably small (young) specimens of a larger apisto species. I have a 'gut feeling' that the males are not fully mature yet and haven't developed their full finnage. Right now I'm not sure what they are. They might be a member of the atahualpa/barlowi-group of species. The body and head shape are similar to these species. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the newly introduced A. sp. Kelleri.
 

Adoketa

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Here's a nice one.
 

Adoketa

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I would guess that it is a young male A. sp. Kelleri, which is also sold in Europe as Diamond Face.

Thanks, Mike. I noticed that the pictures on the other threads show what looks like lyrate extensions. Is this correct?

Ok, from the looks of it. The mystery is solved. It should be as Mike said - Ap. sp. Kellerri. The phantom fin extensions have become not so phantom in another male. Since there are males with and without the diamond face, I need to wait till they all sex out before doing anything with them.
Thanks alot, guys!
 

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Both males and females develop caudal fin extensions. The fish in the photo, if male - which I think it is, is very young and doesn't have fully developed finnage.
 

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Thanks again, Mike.
This has been very exciting. Now all i have to do is grow them up and hope at least 2 pairs can form from the 7 pieces. :)
 

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