Caca from Jutai

[Mark]

Hi all,

Does anybody have photo's of the cacatuoides-like apisto from the rio Jutai? I have seen the photo's on the site of TomC, but some extra photo's (of a female?) would be helpful. I think I have a female of the same species swimming in my tank. I will post some photo's soon.

Greetings,
Mark

 

[Mark]

Well, I have tried to make photo's of the fish I have. I hope someone can ID her..

extra info: she was swimming between kelleri/diamond face. She has a weird looking dorsal fin; at the place of the lateral spot she shows a black spot in the dorsal fin too. Sometimes this spot disappears and sometimes it is bigger and forms 1 spot together with the lateral spot. The last bands on the body seem to go on in the dorsal fin too. She has no striping under the lateral band. Sometimes (when in stress) the last bands look like the bands on the Jutai caca on the website of TomC.
At first you might think of norberti because of the dorsal, but it is something else....

Mark

 

[Mike Wise]

Mark, I can't help you. I haven't seen a photo of females of A. sp. Jutai New 2. The female does have some resemblance to A. norberti, but the weak vertical stripes in the caudal fin aren't seen on A. norberti females. Since it came with Diamond Face, it very possibly could be Jutai New 2.

 

[Mark]

One problem; she came in together with the Kelleri from leticia. No other Peru fish came in so norberti is no option for me. The jutai caca is an option as the kelleri and the diamond face are also the same (as far as I see in my tanks)
Do you know who collected the jutai caca (and the diamond face) and if the catching place is 100% sure? Leticia is 100% sure.

Greetings,
Mark

 

[Microman]

When Tom and i were in Iquitos last Oct just 1 single male specimen of the Rio Jutai cac/staecki type fish was brought over the border from Brazil by the collector.
There were however 100s of Kelleri brought over from Rio Jutai at the same time by the very same Peruvian fisherman/collector.I call them Kelleri because in my opinion they are one and the same species, i refuse to use "Diamond Face"...
The cac/staecki fish was not brought into Iquitos from Leticia....
The collection details given are im sure quite accurate,Tom and i know the collector.
Mark....

 

[Mike Wise]

I, too, know the collector. He is well a known and highly knowledgeable collector in Peru. He doesn't collect in Brazil (officially). Let's just say that what he collected in Brazil wasn't reported to the Brazilian authorities.

 

[Mark]

Well that's clear. It makes it even harder to tell the name of the fish I have. I will post some extra photo's tomorrow and I have asked the Dutch collector to check his fish; maybe he has this species in his tanks too..

Mark

 

[Mark]

Some new and better photo's of the fish. You can see the black markings in the dorsal fin. I haven't seen the striping of the Jutai caca anymore (but she isn't frightend anymore). I hope someone can say something.. I am still looking at the norberti pictures and it is close, but not close enough I think.

Mark

 

[Mark]

I have asked Uwe Römer to look at the photo's of this fish and he says it is A. sp. aff. payaminonis. She came in with the Kelleri from Leticia, but might be mixed in with fish from Colombia; both places are not really known for this species..

Mark

 

[Mike Wise]

As much as I like Uwe and respect his ecological studies about apistos (his strength), I don't find him as strong with his taxonomic identifications. I'm not really sure what he considers "A. sp. aff. payaminonis". To me your fish has a lateral band more like that of most cacatuoides-group species than payaminonis (or barlowi)-like species. It would be interesting to see your fish in stress/fright colors. It it is the Jutai cacatuoides/steacki species, then I would expect to see the chevron (<<<) pattern of split vertical bars. Such bars should also be visible if the fish were preserved in alcohol ... no, bad idea!