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Apisto collecting in Itapeaçu

Discussion in 'Apistogramma' started by Hudson Ensz, May 14, 2011.

  1. Mike Wise

    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    There are no reports of A. cacatuoides occurring below Manacapuru (Rio Solimões system upstream of Manaus). In the Solimões it is found on both sides of the river (Rio Juruá and the Rio Manacapuru. It is also found in Río Algodon in Peru, a tributary of the Río Putumayo, that is called the Rio Icá in Brazil. It might occur in this system, too. The Amazon above the Rio Negro has had a very different hydrological history than the Amazon below the Negro.
  2. Hudson Ensz

    Hudson Ensz Member 5 Year Member

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    Lol! I wish I knew! Thank you.

    Of course! May I add yours to mine? Thank you for commenting, greatly apreciated and yes I agree especially a coral snak that small. Since the are rearfanged snakes I am thinking it would be very difficult.

    Okay, thank you. What other apistos are around the manaus area? Any aggies? It would be nice to know what to look for.
  3. Mike Wise

    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    How far from Manaus? Upstream on the Solimões from Manaus (Manacapuru area) you can find A. agassizii, A. hippolytae, A. sp. Gelbwangen, A. sp. Erdfresser, A. regani. Downstream along the Amazon (Rio Urubu and Rio Uatumá) you can find A. cf. agassizii (Netz), A. cf regani, A. cf. geisleri, A. cf. sp. Branco (Fire Red), A. cf. pertensis. The opposite side of the Amazon has different species, too.
  4. Hudson Ensz

    Hudson Ensz Member 5 Year Member

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    Cool. I coudnt find any pics for the A. branco but it seems like there are three main groups, pertensis, regani and agassiziis. What about creeks in the jungle around here. Any paucisquamis?
    Thank you.
  5. Mike Wise

    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    How far from Manaus do you want to go? A. paucisquamis occurs above the Annavilhanas Archipelego. A. cf. sp. Branco (Fire Red) is a population of A. sp. Branco (=A. cf. pulcher Branco) from the upper Rio Branco. You forgot that species of the bitaeniata- and steindachneri-group also occur in the area around Manaus.
  6. Hudson Ensz

    Hudson Ensz Member 5 Year Member

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    Oh yes, the steindachneri group is EVERY where by far the most common apisto here. I have caught gibbiceps in the taruma water shed system. Thank you for answering my questions.
    My target species is A. sp. branco, A. agassizii, A cf. pulchra, and erdfresser. Any true pertensis? Of course I could always find a new species lol
  7. Hudson Ensz

    Hudson Ensz Member 5 Year Member

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    Oh yeah I have about Iniridae in this area or where they, maybe misidentified cf. pertensis?
  8. Mike Wise

    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    A. iniridae only occurs in the upper Río Orinoco system of Colombia. Unless you have some escapees from an exporter, it's unlikely that you have the true A. iniridae. The true A. pertensis occurs in the lower Rio Negro and possibly nearby rivers to the east.
  9. Hudson Ensz

    Hudson Ensz Member 5 Year Member

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    Here are some pics of my catches.
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    And the apisto you may or may not have been waiting for, what is probably Apistogramma Salpinction
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    I think this is a female A. salpinction
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  10. HaakonH

    HaakonH Member 5 Year Member

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    It's awesome to see A.salpinction alive, what a great find, Hudson :) And the regani is really nice too!

    About that Laetacara, how is it not L.curviceps...? I thought L.fulvipinnis was less blue and more brownish, occured further north and according to the description has "caudal fin without conspicuous pattern of light dots".
    Haakon
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    briztoon Member 5 Year Member

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    I must admit, I thought it was a Laetacara curviceps as well. Very purty and I wants it. Do you have a female for the boy?.
  12. Mike Wise

    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Yes, it is L. curviceps. I really didn't do more than a quick look at the original photos of your Laetacara. At the time I thought that these were collected north of the Amazon (they were not). I automatically thought of L. fulvipinnis since it is a species from north of the Amazon. Your latest photos of A. cf. salpinction prominently display the 'H' shaped caudal spot at the base of the caudal fin that is diagnostic of A. salpinction. If it had been collected north of the Amazon I'd not even consider it anything other than this species.
  13. Hudson Ensz

    Hudson Ensz Member 5 Year Member

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    So it is officially... wait for it... Apistogramma salpinction. Cool. Good call on the Laetecara curviceps Haakon and thanks for your comment.
  14. Mike Wise

    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    No, I would call it "A. cf. salpintion" because it comes from a very different collecting location from the type specimens. Until we have more collecting (distribution) data, I would keep it that way.
  15. Hudson Ensz

    Hudson Ensz Member 5 Year Member

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    I am going to manacapuru tomorrow I hope to catch pbass and apistos.
  16. Tom C

    Tom C Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Wow!
    You might find
    - the quite rare A. cf. cacatuoides (Manacapuru) (A 203).
    - A. bitaeniata (A 214) from Manacapuru is described like this in Koslowski (2002): it "....exhibit particularly broad cross-bands in the caudal fin, interrupted by extremely highly reflective light zones, .......The males have long dorsal fin lappets and caudal fin extensions. The nape and back are black and not red; at larger sizes the caudal fin pattern described above is still prominently displayed. Other features are the unusual caudal peduncle markings and the intense metallic bands above and below the lateral band that are reminiscent of those on A. paucisquamis. The back, lateral and abdominal bands, along with the metallic bands in between them, extend a little way into the caudal fin.
    - A. agassizii. Steindachner originally described the species, with Lago Manacapuru as the type locality, as Geophagus agassizii. The first specimens imported for the hobby were the white/blue color form, which are identical to the Manacapuru form.
    - A. hippolytae,
    - A. regani,
    - A. cf. pertensis,
    - probably A. sp. "Erdfresser/Earth-eater"
    - and "as usual" I'm sure you'll find something new and exciting!

    Good luck, Hudson!
  17. Hudson Ensz

    Hudson Ensz Member 5 Year Member

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    Thank you the eartheater and cacautuoides will be my targets. I leave in about four hours. Wish me luck!
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    Good luck and have fun for me I'm jealous
  19. Hudson Ensz

    Hudson Ensz Member 5 Year Member

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    I am back from Manacapuru and unfortunately I didnt catch one single apisto! I am really frusterated.
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    Big G New Member 5 Year Member

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    Shame bud!! Better look next time!! You'll get them in the end I'm sure?

    Regards
    G!