Apisto. Eunotus Female ID

[apistonoob99]

Hello everyone. Can someone please tell me about the pointers to identify eunotus female?

 

[apistonoob99]

I suspected this one to be female.

 

[Mike Wise]

It looks like a female (rounded tips on dorsal and anal fins and dark spines on the ventral fins), but it does not appear to be a eunotus-subcomplex species to me. Eunotus-subcomplex forms should exhibit a split vertical bar in Bar 6 and or 7. My guess is that it is a regani-complex species. What do the males look like?

 

[apistonoob99]

It looks like a female (rounded tips on dorsal and anal fins and dark spines on the ventral fins), but it does not appear to be a eunotus-subcomplex species to me. Eunotus-subcomplex forms should exhibit a split vertical bar in Bar 6 and or 7. My guess is that it is a regani-complex species. What do the males look like?

This is the male

 

[Mike Wise]

It certainly looks like a regani-complex species to me: prominent broad vertical bars even on male and a bright area between Bar 7 and the caudal spot. It probably is one of several species of A. cf. paulmuelleri, but not A. paulmuelleri. It shows no rows of spots on the caudal fin and a different caudal spot shape.

 

[Frank Hättich]

It certainly looks like a regani-complex species to me: prominent broad vertical bars even on male and a bright area between Bar 7 and the caudal spot. It probably is one of several species of A. cf. paulmuelleri, but not A. paulmuelleri. It shows no rows of spots on the caudal fin and a different caudal spot shape.

I agree with you Mike that it's likely a regani-complex species, but apart from that, I see no particular similarity to A. paulmuelleri at all. If these fish are in fact frrom Peru, I think that it's an entirely new species. @apistonoob99 do you have any information on the exact catch location?

 

[apistonoob99]

I agree with you Mike that it's likely a regani-complex species, but apart from that, I see no particular similarity to A. paulmuelleri at all. If these fish are in fact frrom Peru, I think that it's an entirely new species. @apistonoob99 do you have any information on the exact catch location?

I dont have catch location details. But the person i got them from usually deals in South american wild caughts exclusively.

 

[apistonoob99]

Also i cane across this one on Tomc website. I feel it resembles the fishes i have .

 

[apistonoob99]

The stripes on males too comes and goes as per the mood.

 

[anewbie]

I dont have catch location details. But the person i got them from usually deals in South american wild caughts exclusively.

Who do you deal with ?

 

[apistonoob99]

Who do you deal with ?

I reside in india. My supplier is in Thailand,Jorge

 

[Frank Hättich]

After looking at the pictures again, I think it's actually an eunotus-subcomplex species closely related (or identical) to A. sp. Nadelstreifen. Like these fish, A. sp. Nadelstreifen often show prominent vertical bars, but rarely (if ever?) split bars. Caudal spot and coloration of the caudal fin also fit and males can also show red markings on the head.

 

[apistonoob99]

After looking at the pictures again, I think it's actually an eunotus-subcomplex species closely related (or identical) to A. sp. Nadelstreifen. Like these fish, A. sp. Nadelstreifen often show prominent vertical bars, but rarely (if ever?) split bars. Caudal spot and coloration of the caudal fin also fit and males can also show red markings on the head.

It looks like a female (rounded tips on dorsal and anal fins and dark spines on the ventral fins), but it does not appear to be a eunotus-subcomplex species to me. Eunotus-subcomplex forms should exhibit a split vertical bar in Bar 6 and or 7. My guess is that it is a regani-complex species. What do the males look like?

Do all apisto females have dark line on ventral fins or is it just limited to eunotus & regani complex species .

 

[apistonoob99]

After looking at the pictures again, I think it's actually an eunotus-subcomplex species closely related (or identical) to A. sp. Nadelstreifen. Like these fish, A. sp. Nadelstreifen often show prominent vertical bars, but rarely (if ever?) split bars. Caudal spot and coloration of the caudal fin also fit and males can also show red markings on the head.

I Just noticed "Red chin". These pics were taken right after a water change.

 

[Frank Hättich]

These pics were taken right after a water change.

I still think they are A. sp. Nadelstreifen or the very closely related A. cf. sp. Nadelstreifen/A. sp. aff. eunotus (Colombia).

 

[anewbie]

Nice looking fish.

 

[Mike Wise]

Yes, I agree with Frank. I could be one of the eastern forms of the eunotus-complex. Without knowing where the fish were collected it would be hard to say for certain if it is new or a known species. I don't believe it is Nadelstreifen. This species loses bars in threat display. This is a photo of a specimen I collected near Leticia, Colombia. There are, however, other Nadelstriefen-like species but I don't know if they display the same feature.