Q's: Nijsseni group & Chingrano=Pulchra

[peterK]

Hi
1. Could you show me whole A. nijsseni group?
2. Is A. sp Zwilling/Twin the same as A. sp. Oregon?
3. Is A. sp. Chingarno the same as A. pulchra?

Greetings,
Piotr

 

[a.d.wood]

Hi Piotr,

Nijsseni, my favourite group (well, almost :biggrin, for starters (your part 1):

A. nijsseni, A180
A. panduro, (pandurini) A183
A. baenschi, (inka) A188
A. sp. martini (mortenthaler, lyretail 2) A187
A. sp. lyretail 1, A186
A. sp. Harelquin, (Hi-fin panduro) A189
A. sp. Twin, (zwilling, oregon) A181
A. sp. Oregon, A182 (Datz suggests this should now be considered distinct from A181)
A. payaminonis, A179

Part 2: see above
Part 3: chingarno = pulchra, sorry not sure.

While we're on the nijsenni group I wouldn't mind some clarification on the lyretail1 and 2 forms. Through Peter (Lovett) I now have a pair of what was imported as mortenthaler, however the males body is yellow/gold rather than the blue illustrated in Datz, what is the current considered opinion on the separation of lyretail types 1 and 2, still valid?????

Andrew

 

[Mike Wise]

While we're on the nijsenni group I wouldn't mind some clarification on the lyretail1 and 2 forms.

They are 2 different species:

Blue Lyretail = A. martini

and now that Cichlid Atlas II is published, I can say:

Yellow Lyretail i= A. pantalone.

Uwe showed me some of the type material for several of his newly described species (in the atlas) while he was in Chicago for the ACA.

 

[blueblue]

Hi
1. Could you show me whole A. nijsseni group?
2. Is A. sp Zwilling/Twin the same as A. sp. Oregon?
3. Is A. sp. Chingarno the same as A. pulchra?

Greetings,
Piotr

1. Nijsseni group (some names are updated with Uwe's Atlas II)
A. baenschi
A. martini (A. sp. "Mortenthaler")
A. pantalone (A. sp. "Lyre-tail")
A. nijsseni
A. norberti
A. panduro
A. payaminonis
A. rositae (A. sp. "Harlequin")
A. sp. "Zwilling (Twin)"
A. sp. "Oregon"
A. sp. "Jurua"
A. sp. "Maulbruter" (A. sp. "Breast-band")

2. I have kept and bred both species, and I would say they're different. If you take a look at Datz' book,
you see two different species there. Essentially, male Zwilling has extended
dorsal fin while male Oregon has an even dorsal fin. Morevoer, the females
of these two species look very different. Moreover, Zwilling was first imported with a name of Inka II (P.S: Aqualog's album) and it looks very similar to Inka (A. baenschi). Oregon looks much more similar to nijsseni.

3. A. sp. Chingarno should be nothing more than the
A. pulchra or its cf. from the locality of Chingarno.
P.S: There are MANY morphs (or even different species?!)
in the purchra group... the name A. sp. "Chingarno" could refer to
many different looking fish, as you could see from the rva's website.

 

[peterK]

Thanks for all answers.
So, A sp. Harlequin is Described species now?
And, what are differences between A. martini and A. pantalone?

Greetings,
Piotr

 

[Mike Wise]

Römer describes Harlekin as A. rositae in Cichlid Atlas II.

A. martini males have a large round caudal spot and very narrow red margins on the caudal fin.

A. pantalone males have a narrow wedge-shaped caudal spot and broad red margins on the caudal fin.

The females are similar, but A. martini females have a larger lateral spot that extends to the dorsal fin while A. pantalone females have a smaller lateral spot that does not quite reach the dorsal fin.

 

[rafael]

and now that Cichlid Atlas II is published, I can say:

Yellow Lyretail i= A. pantalone.

...

Römer describes Harlekin as A. rositae in Cichlid Atlas II.

How many species describes Römmer in Atlas II?

Already there is a more or less exact date of when it is on sale in English?

Rafael.

 

[blueblue]

... How many species describes Römmer in Atlas II?

Already there is a more or less exact date of when it is on sale in English?

Rafael.

hmm.. actually, NOT that many species new to me... and we have seen most of them in Datz' South American Dwarf Cichlids (2005). It was printed in Singapore on 15 Dec 2006 and will be available all around the world in one or two months... It's mainly in english even though there're some german descriptions in places.

 

[rafael]

Thanks blueblue.

I believe that I have not expressed myself correctly. :frown:

I wanted to ask whichever new species will be described in the Atlas II, not that never has seen previously their photos. Sorry.

More :biggrin: "Yellow Lyretail" is the same Apistogramma sp. "Leierschwanz", A. sp. "Lyratail"; A. sp. "Peru 2"?

Congratulations by the book. Soon it passes through scaner some pages so that we become an idea (if it is possible). :wink:

Thanks in advance,

Rafael.

 

[blueblue]

Some camera shots for sharings.

http://aquariumfarm.com/phpBB2/files/2d_323.jpg
http://aquariumfarm.com/phpBB2/files/2b_557.jpg
http://aquariumfarm.com/phpBB2/files/2a_881.jpg
http://aquariumfarm.com/phpBB2/files/2c_994.jpg

 

[rafael]

Wonderful, congratulations blueblue.

It already has a considered sale price?

Rafael.

 

[blueblue]

Wonderful, congratulations blueblue.

It already has a considered sale price?

Rafael.

Hmm, the selling price of this book in StevenSimpson bookstore is
about GBP 30 (please double check), transportation cost depends on
shipping mode and destination.

 

[Mike Wise]

It already has a considered sale price?

Rafael.

I believe it will be the same price as volume 1 of the Cichlid Atlas. I've been told that it should be ready for sale sometime in March. Blueblue is one lucky guy, getting it shipped directly from the printers.

 

[blueblue]

I believe it will be the same price as volume 1 of the Cichlid Atlas. I've been told that it should be ready for sale sometime in March. Blueblue is one lucky guy, getting it shipped directly from the printers.

hehe, yes, i really feel lucky to have got the book so early. Again, the bookstore (StevenSimpson) also helps me a lot and i really appreciate for it.