My WC Apisto Dilemma...

[Cooder]

Hey all,

I plan to buy some Wild Apistogramma from Peru. Now, my source says that it cant be guaranteed that I will be getting the fish that they say i will be getting, and thats understandable.

The names i am interested in so far, ( straight from the list )
A. Baby Face
A. Bitaeniata Blue ( what is the most likely collection/location info for this variant of bitaeniata?)
A. Victoria (Apistogramma orange)
A. Cruzi
A. Pucallpensis
A. Shishita

I am wondering if some of the more experienced apisto keepers could unravel the mystery and tell me what the correct name for these usually are from prior experience possibly along with which complex etc they fit in?

What type of water would they most likely be coming out of aswell, black, clear etc?

Basicly im looking for more info to base further research on,

Cheers for any help i might get...

Cody

 

[Mike Wise]

A. sp. Baby Face - an old, old commercial name for a eunotus-complex species (see: http://board.raubsalmler.de/viewtopic.php?t=7574)
A. bitaeniata Blue ( what is the most likely collection/location info for this variant of bitaeniata?) - there are blue morphs from many places.
A. sp. Victoria (Apistogramma orange) - a new commercial name to me (at least from Peru); could be anything.
A. cruzi - probably A. sp. Nanay/Melgar. The true A. cruzi has only been imported 2 or 3 times.
A. pucallpensis - Apistogrammoides pucallpaensis
A. sp. Shishita - probably A. bitaeniata Shishita, although there is a spectacular eunotus-complex species from the Río Shishita, too.

 

[Cooder]

Cheers Mike you've done it again!

Ive got the same question for a few more if you dont mind:

Apistogramma Red Tail: I believe this is A. erythrura, occuring in bolivia so would it be on a list from Peru, seeing how bolivia is the first country south (unless my geography is escaping me)
http://www.apistogramma.israquarium.co.il/FishIndex/Apistogramma_erythrura.html

And Apistgramma Fresa (Strawberry) is A. eremnopyge correct? On this list they are also selling A. diamante (female fresa). A. diamante is a synonym for fresa isnt it, so they would have split the females and male eremnopyges into 2 different "Species".

Also, Apistogramma jurupensis (A197 i believe) is a cacuatoides complex correct? I know that some species (such as true viejita and as you said cruzi are practically lost to the hobby) so would this be one of the available ones or just a "pumped up" cacuatoides??

Also would i be able to keep 2 species of different complex's/groups in a single 4ft 55 gal tank? im thinking a trio of bitaeniata blue and the juruensis OR the erythrura, or maybe baenschi inka 50

Cheers again Mike

Cooder

 

[Cooder]

Any thoughts on my last questions?

 

[cichlidmac]

I've kept 2 species from different groups in my 55 and I've just setup another.

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[Mike Wise]

Apistogramma Red Tail: I believe this is A. erythrura, occuring in bolivia so would it be on a list from Peru, seeing how bolivia is the first country south (unless my geography is escaping me)
http://www.apistogramma.israquarium.co.il/FishIndex/Apistogramma_erythrura.html

http://www.apistogramma.israquarium.co.il/FishIndex/Apistogramma_erythrura.html

The fish in the link is a red tail color morph of A. erythrura. "Apistogramma Red Tail" could be one of many different species with a red tail - not only A. erythrura.

http://www.apistogramma.israquarium.co.il/FishIndex/Apistogramma_erythrura.html

And Apistgramma Fresa (Strawberry) is A. eremnopyge correct? On this list they are also selling A. diamante (female fresa). A. diamante is a synonym for fresa isnt it, so they would have split the females and male eremnopyges into 2 different "Species".

A. sp. Fresa/Strawberry, Diamante, Rotbart/Barbarosa/Red-beard, and Tapiche are all common names for A. eremnopyge.

Also, Apistogramma jurupensis (A197 i believe) is a cacuatoides complex correct? I know that some species (such as true viejita and as you said cruzi are practically lost to the hobby) so would this be one of the available ones or just a "pumped up" cacuatoides??

.

This is a misspelling of A. juruensis. The true A. juruensis is a cacatuoides-group species from the Rio Juruá in western Brazil. It has appeared in the hobby recently, but is very expensive. The species usually sold as 'A. juruensis' is A. allpahuayo, the Black-chin/Schwarzkinn Apisto from Peru.

Also would i be able to keep 2 species of different complex's/groups in a single 4ft 55 gal tank? im thinking a trio of bitaeniata blue and the juruensis OR the erythrura, or maybe baenschi inka 50

If your 55 is properly decorated with well defined boundaries, then 2 pair should be able to live in the same tank.

 

[Cooder]

Ok, thanks for your info Mike, i think i must of mis typed on the juruensis.

I think im just going to get 2 2fts instead of a 4

 

[BOB MAJOR]

[wequote="Cooder, post: 76187, member: 11615"]Hey all,
We get extensive apisto species lists out of the exporters from Peru but the experience is they ship you the fish they have on hand and not necessarily what you order but they dont change the description of the actual fish shipped from the fish ordered
I plan to buy some Wild Apistogramma from Peru. Now, my source says that it cant be guaranteed that I will be getting the fish that they say i will be getting, and thats understandable.

The names i am interested in so far, ( straight from the list )
A. Baby Face
A. Bitaeniata Blue ( what is the most likely collection/location info for this variant of bitaeniata?)
A. Victoria (Apistogramma orange)
A. Cruzi
A. Pucallpensis
A. Shishita

I am wondering if some of the more experienced apisto keepers could unravel the mystery and tell me what the correct name for these usually are from prior experience possibly along with which complex etc they fit in?

What type of water would they most likely be coming out of aswell, black, clear etc?

Basicly im looking for more info to base further research on,

Cheers for any help i might get...

Cody[/quote]