my Apistogramma sp. pebas

[mematrix]

 

[Mike Wise]

I think that the female is A. sp. Papagei/Parrot. The male probably is, too, but need a better photo (fright patter & full flank view) to say for certain. Pebas & Papagei forms can be confusing.

 

[denilson59]

I think that the female is A. sp. Papagei/Parrot. The male probably is, too, but need a better photo (fright patter & full flank view) to say for certain. Pebas & Papagei forms can be confusing.

do they look like sp nanay?or what are the differences?please

 

[Mike Wise]

Which "A. sp. Nanay" do you mean? The species Römer calls Nanay (but comes from the Rio Ampiyacu, over 1,000 km farther downstream from the Río Nanay) is the same fish as A. sp. Papagei/Parrot. The fish first called Nanay (by Melgar), which comes from the Río Nanay, is an entirely different species. The first difference is the obvious shape of the caudal spot. On Melgar's Nanay the caudal is more square, while on Römer's Nanay (= Papagei) it is a double spot. The Papagei fish is stouter, has slightly longer & higher dorsal fin, and clear pectoral fins. The pectorals on the original Nanay (Melgar's) so far are always yellow.

 

[mematrix]

some more pics

here Mike are some more pics I am sure thease are pebas because the guy i got them from collected them from the drainage behind pebas/pevas in S.A. his name is Dr Davis schleser.
A.Pebas

 

[Mike Wise]

I based my ID on the shape and size of the caudal spot on the female, as well as her having only 2 prominent flank spots, on Bars 3 & 4, when in breeding trim. Females of A. sp. Pebas show 4 - 5 spots, on Bars 3 - 7, when in breeding trim and a smaller caudal spot. Male A. sp. Papagei do not have rows of spots on the caudal fin, while A. sp. Pebas males sometimes have a few rows. Although fuzzy, I think I see some rows of spot toward the base of the tail. Or is it wishful thinking?

I have all of the respect in the world for Dr. Schlesser, but apisto ID is not a specialty of his. He has even sent me fish & photos for ID. A. sp. Pebas & Papagei come from the same general area in the Rio Ampiyacu. All of this being said, these 2 species are very closely related & there is even the possibility that they are geographic populations of a single species (I personally doubt it).

 

[Mike Wise]

Male A. sp. Papagei do not have rows of spots on the caudal fin, while A. sp. Pebas males sometimes have a few rows. Although fuzzy, I think I see some rows of spot toward the base of the tail. Or is it wishful thinking?

I left out a sentence: If your male has spots in the caudal, it most likely is A. sp. Pebas & you might have 2 different species represented here.

 

[mematrix]

re to mike

Thanks I understand what you are saying. And I also have heard that the 2 species may be a realted or same species just fom diferent collection areas thanks.

Curtis

 

[mematrix]

to mike

I left out a sentence: If your male has spots in the caudal, it most likely is A. sp. Pebas & you might have 2 different species represented here.

the photos are of the same fish the wild pr OI got from Dave schleser and they are a breeding pr.

Sincerely Curtis