Diagnosis Please

[merlin]

This fry has developed a sore of some sort on the area between tail and body. Can someone help diagnose this and suggest a treatment.

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[leafish]

I have no idea. It seems that a diagnosis is nice to have but treatment for diseases is almost always the same. Increase water changes and ensure that the fish are getting a healthy variety of food. I'm pretty sure that one of my rams has Hole in the Head Disease which, like your fish, is a noticeable deterioration of their skin. The treatment is what I just described along with removing the carbon from your filter.

Medicine usually has more negative effects than positive ones.

I'm not that knowledgeable, so sorry, but I hope this is helpful.

 

[gerald]

Most likely some kind of bacterial infection.

 

[hedylogus]

i can't really say much either based on the pic, but if you have a spare hospital tank you could try a low-dose antibiotic (ie, tetracycline) or general purpose bacterial infection medication (ie, melafix).

 

[merlin]

Thanks for the advice. I did hospitalise the fish and treat with a bacterial remedy but to no avail. Died today.


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[leafish]

Ugh, that's crushing. Was it only one fish that got the disease? How many are left of the fry?

 

[merlin]

It was one of a group of 6 Veilfleck but I think they are male heavy. So I have to make sure i dont lose any more.

 

[DanielG]

It was one of a group of 6 Veilfleck but I think they are male heavy. So I have to make sure i dont lose any more.

Well...it would seem my 3.5" male Agassizi has come down with Hole-in-Head disease. He doesn't seem to be acting any different and his behavior is unchanged as well. Today I did start varying up his diet...i'll keep you posted with what happens...Tomorrow I will upload a pic if I can get one close enough to see the detail. It looks like it is only 2-3 small holes though. Fingers crossed.

I did just start dosing 10ppm KNO3 and 2ppm KH2PO4...does anyone seem to think this can have something to do with it? I know apisto's are pretty picky with having 'clean' water conditions.

I started the KNO3 and KH2PO4 in an attempt to bring some red out in plants, but I can just as easily stop dosing if it means my apisto's are going to go Walking Dead on me.

 

[gerald]

Fish food is the only "fert" i use, but I have also wondered about the effects of using ferts with soft-water endemic fishes, especially S.Amer and W.African dwarf cichlids, licorice and chocolate gouramis, and blackwater Betta species. Whether it's harmful to the fishes' health probably depends on how fast the plants use it up vs how much remains in the water. I guess it's like feeding fish, if you can "feed" the plants only as much as they can "eat" in a short time, then you're not leaving excess ferts to degrade water quality. Hopefully others will chime in with good info.

3.5 inches is a BIG aggie; I assume he's 2+ yrs old. Beyond about 3 yrs they do seem to get more susceptible to slow-growing bacterial infections, including Mycobacterium. That's a common cause of death in old fish that are well cared for and haven't died from something else.

Well...it would seem my 3.5" male Agassizi has come down with Hole-in-Head disease. He doesn't seem to be acting any different and his behavior is unchanged as well. Today I did start varying up his diet...i'll keep you posted with what happens...Tomorrow I will upload a pic if I can get one close enough to see the detail. It looks like it is only 2-3 small holes though. Fingers crossed.

I did just start dosing 10ppm KNO3 and 2ppm KH2PO4...does anyone seem to think this can have something to do with it? I know apisto's are pretty picky with having 'clean' water conditions. I started the KNO3 and KH2PO4 in an attempt to bring some red out in plants, but I can just as easily stop dosing if it means my apisto's are going to go Walking Dead on me.

 

[DanielG]

Fish food is the only "fert" i use, but I have also wondered about the effects of using ferts with soft-water endemic fishes, especially S.Amer and W.African dwarf cichlids, licorice and chocolate gouramis, and blackwater Betta species. Whether it's harmful to the fishes' health probably depends on how fast the plants use it up vs how much remains in the water. I guess it's like feeding fish, if you can "feed" the plants only as much as they can "eat" in a short time, then you're not leaving excess ferts to degrade water quality. Hopefully others will chime in with good info.

3.5 inches is a BIG aggie; I assume he's 2+ yrs old. Beyond about 3 yrs they do seem to get more susceptible to slow-growing bacterial infections, including Mycobacterium. That's a common cause of death in old fish that are well cared for and haven't died from something else.

Well, i finally got a video made...the bigger male, as you will see, is the one with Hole-in-Head disease. Hopefully after the upload is finished being 'reviewed', it will then be available in 1080p.

 

[gerald]

Yes it looks like some kind of infection in the nostrils and cephalic pores. Could be bacterial (most likely), protozoa, or something else - cant tell much from a video. I hope it clears up.

 

[DanielG]

Yes it looks like some kind of infection in the nostrils and cephalic pores. Could be bacterial (most likely), protozoa, or something else - cant tell much from a video. I hope it clears up.

Unfortunately, the male Apisto I have the video above has succumbed to his illness. I isolated him into his own 5 gallon tank and was able to put him through two rounds of anti bacterial treatments, to no avail

 

[gerald]

So sorry. Some infections just aren't treatable with any known meds.