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Apistogramma Sp Harlequin
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A. sp. Harlequin is a species in its own right. It is also discussed under the names A. sp. Zwilling/Twin & A. sp. Hi-fin Panduro. I comes from the same region as A. sp. Inca, only farther downstream.
My opinion of crossbreeding is that as long as nice looking fish are developed and they are openly sold as hybrids, then there is nothing wrong with it. Personally, I find that Mother Nature had done a wonderful job for the most part & I avoid hybrids.
My opinion of crossbreeding is that as long as nice looking fish are developed and they are openly sold as hybrids, then there is nothing wrong with it. Personally, I find that Mother Nature had done a wonderful job for the most part & I avoid hybrids.
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Hi blinkmiao,
No, that's not correct. I guess, what you heard or what these people meant is, that the Harlequin seems to be taxonomically located between Inka and Panduro. This is so far, what Ingo Koslowski told me, when the Harlequin was new imported. But in my opinion, the Harlequin is pretty different to Nijsseni, Inka Panduro and Zwilling... but obviously in the same species complex.
But that doesn't mean, that they are crossbreedings, except you want to discuss the evolution of building new species in the nature
Harlequins are natural wild species, and they are from different localities. The Inka is from the Rio Huallaga system and the Harlekin is from Cocha Santiago/Rio Maranon system, a little bit more in the north.
@Mike:
???... Ap. sp. "Zwilling(Twin) has not much to do with A. sp. "Harlekin/Highfin-Panduro". It is a species, very similar to A. sp. inka and A. nijsseni. The Harlekin looks very different to that.
greetings,
Rolo
No, that's not correct. I guess, what you heard or what these people meant is, that the Harlequin seems to be taxonomically located between Inka and Panduro. This is so far, what Ingo Koslowski told me, when the Harlequin was new imported. But in my opinion, the Harlequin is pretty different to Nijsseni, Inka Panduro and Zwilling... but obviously in the same species complex.
But that doesn't mean, that they are crossbreedings, except you want to discuss the evolution of building new species in the nature
Harlequins are natural wild species, and they are from different localities. The Inka is from the Rio Huallaga system and the Harlekin is from Cocha Santiago/Rio Maranon system, a little bit more in the north.
@Mike:
???... Ap. sp. "Zwilling(Twin) has not much to do with A. sp. "Harlekin/Highfin-Panduro". It is a species, very similar to A. sp. inka and A. nijsseni. The Harlekin looks very different to that.
greetings,
Rolo
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Roland,
You are quite correct. I got my names/fish confused. Thanks for correcting me. A. sp. Harlequin was called A. sp. Hi-fin Panduro in a TFH article by Oliver Lucanus, & in Japan it is called A. sp. Urias. It comes from the Rio Huallaga system, like A. sp. Inca/Inka. A. sp. Zwilling/Twin is the same fish that has been called A. sp. High-fin Nijsseni (not the same as A. sp. Inca) and A. cf. payaminonis (Peru) in the USA. This fish comes from a another river system farther north (I promised not to say which one). Honestly, it is getting harder to keep all of the apisto names in order.
You are quite correct. I got my names/fish confused. Thanks for correcting me. A. sp. Harlequin was called A. sp. Hi-fin Panduro in a TFH article by Oliver Lucanus, & in Japan it is called A. sp. Urias. It comes from the Rio Huallaga system, like A. sp. Inca/Inka. A. sp. Zwilling/Twin is the same fish that has been called A. sp. High-fin Nijsseni (not the same as A. sp. Inca) and A. cf. payaminonis (Peru) in the USA. This fish comes from a another river system farther north (I promised not to say which one). Honestly, it is getting harder to keep all of the apisto names in order.
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Hi Mike,
Yes, it's getting harder ... and more ... and more... ;-)
That's also not correct. As I wrote before, the Harlekin comes NOT from the Huallaga system, but from the Maranon. It's a small creek called Cocha Santiago.
greetings,
Rolo
Yes, it's getting harder ... and more ... and more... ;-)
That's also not correct. As I wrote before, the Harlekin comes NOT from the Huallaga system, but from the Maranon. It's a small creek called Cocha Santiago.
greetings,
Rolo
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The Rio Huallaga is a tributary of the lower Rio Marañón. I was told by a collector/friend of mine that he collected it in the lower Huallaga.
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I got my information from Oliver Lucanus... He wrote, that he found the Harlekin in a small creek at the Maranon, north of the estuary of the Huallaga.
So whatever... it's not that impossible, that both is correct. ;-)
Maybe the geographical extension is going far into the Huallaga?
greetings,
Rolo
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I really don't know where in the Huallaga they were collected. He only said the lower part. Commercial collectors are very private about their collecting localities.
