apistogramma regani

[fernandoperini]

Hello,
Please, i wuld like to know if these two apistos are really aps. Regani, and specialy if they are a couple or two male

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8727/apregani01vn6.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6233/apregani02be6.jpg

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5315/apregani03ng1.jpg

Thank you for your attention

 

[Mike Wise]

Hi Fernando,

When I saw the 1st photo, the male looked like it had a caudal patch formed from the caudal spot & Bar 7 on the flank, indicating that it was a member of the commbrae-complex. The female does not show this feature. I now believe that it is show extremely dark fright colors, with black pigment spreading from Bar 7 to the caudal spot. This pair is a male & female, and is a member of the resticulosa-complex. I am fairly certain that it is A. sp. Wangenflecken/Cheek-spots from the Ilha de Marajó.

 

[fernandoperini]

hi! thanks
but the couple would be of the same species? I want that they reproduce stows repairing in the paddle between apisto regani, the Wangenflecken and the ID
Wangenflecken
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9731/caudaapwangenfleckenvp3.jpg

ID
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3946/caudaapid2nn1.jpg

regani
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/544/caudaapreganiyy0.jpg


the comments confirm?

 

[Mike Wise]

Yes, I believe that the 2 fish are male & female of the same species. The tail fin of A. sp. Wangenflecken can be without markings or have pale stripes or spots.

The diagnostic features for A. sp. Wangenflecken are:

1) Narrow lateral band with zigzag border behind Bar 3, diagonal abdominal 'dashes or streaks', and a small to medium round to square caudal spot - seen on all resticulosa-complex species.

2) Strongly bowed bars on the flanks & lateral band that ends or is weak behind Bar 6 - diagnostic of A. sp. Wangenflecken.

The diagnostic features for A. regani are:

1) Moderately wide lateral band with even borders that ends in a light area in front of the caudal spot, vertical bars highly visisble most of the time - seen on all regani-complex species.

2) Caudal spot is a dark stripe that extends the entire height of the caudal peduncle, vertical bars on the body are wider than the lighter interstitial areas, & shows an anal spot in front of the anal fin. So far, no A. regani has been found with red markings on the face.

 

[Rolo]

Hi Mike,

I agree, that they are definitely no A. regani.

...but I'm pretty unsure, if they are A. sp. Wangenfleck.

The caudal spot looks like a big "Doublespot". I never saw this at A. sp. Wangelfleck. There it is smaller and oval.

The caudal fin of A. sp. Wangenfleck is transparent, not striped.

The black scales-borders below the lateral band is - in my opinion - absolutely not typically for A. sp. Wangenflecken. never saw that.

So, I don't really agree. ...but I must confess, that I have no better idea yet, what it is. ;-)

best regards,
Rolo

 

[Mike Wise]

That is what I orginally said:

"When I saw the 1st photo, the male looked like it had a caudal patch formed from the caudal spot & Bar 7 on the flank, indicating that it was a member of the commbrae-complex. ... I now believe that it is shows extremely dark fright colors, with black pigment spreading from Bar 7 to the caudal spot."

The combrae-complex species typically have a wider, more even-bordered, lateral band than do resticulosa-complex species.

If fish are a true pair, then they do not have the caudal blotch of the commbrae-complex because the female has a simple caudal spot. If they are not a pair, then more photos will be needed to be certain. The only other species that I think it could be is one of the forms related to A. taeniata.

 

[fernandoperini]

Hello,
Today i brought the ´´couple´´
When i get home , everything seems to be a young male ,and its the same fish of the photo, becausa it has the same black spot at the caudal tail
Tomorow i will try to take a picture from them on the aquarium

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5898/pertensis012mb3.jpg

 

[fernandoperini]

female??

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/3253/femearegani007cpialq5.jpg

http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/4270/femearegani009cpiasu3.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5898/pertensis012mb3.jpg

male
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/4526/regamachogm0.jpg

 

[Mike Wise]

I am fairly certain that these are A. sp. Wangenflecken/Cheek-spots. I have never seen red on the face of females of this species. Your 'female' might be a young male.

 

[fernandoperini]

was valid for the opinion
could me mostrars more photos of this species so that I can compare?
in google not meeting

I also was finding that female in truth is male...
because the red in the face only appears when it very is stress, but has mine doubts
and nao conssigo to find photos of Wangenflecken I to observe, to compare

 

[fernandoperini]

wangenflecken ?
http://www.cichlidgallery.com/albums/ACA-Convention-2004/A_wangenflecken.jpg

not meeting photos of females, if somebody will be able to help me

 

[fernandoperini]

male
http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lalalaposta1tq7.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1087/lalalaposta2xx9.jpg

female? :frown:

Has somes pictures that the red appears in the face, in other no, but my hopes is that is a small female
what do think?

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4981/lalalaposta3wv6.jpg

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/1620/lalalapostar4xy3.jpg

Here a picture of the two together

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9379/lalalapostar5kh4.jpg

 

[Mike Wise]

I could not retrieve the photos of the females (I got error messages). The photo of the "pair", however appears to show only males. Females should have no markings on the caudal fin & the ventral fins will have more black on them than on the male's.