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[kross]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Kkross/apisto.jpg

 

[Mike Wise]

It is difficult to be sure without seeing the female and the throat area of the fish. My guess is that it is A. sp. Black-chin/Schwarzkinn. This is the fish most commonly sold as A. juruensis. It is not the real A. juruensis, that's for sure.

 

[kross]

You're right Mike. It was sold as A.Juruensis (only male available) at one of the LFS here..... My suspicion arise when I first saw a very similar male sold at another LFS (pretty reputable) stating as A. sp. Black-chin. I guess I'll just have to settle with this A. sp. Black-chin... :roll:

By the way, how can one tell the difference between a genuine A.Juruensis and A. sp. Black-chin? Would appreciate some advice...

 

[Mike Wise]

OK. A. sp. Black-chin has a darker, larger black patch on the throat and chin than A. juruensis. This black chin marking almost completley disappears on displaying A. juruensis males. A. juruensis has a shorter face (distance between the eye and mouth), more stripes in the tail fin of the male, and a blue lower lip (like A. cacatuoides). A. sp. Black-chin has a red or orange lower lip. When I look at fish listed as A. juruensis I check for the color of the lower lip and the sized of the throat patch.

 

[kross]

in this case can i say that this may not be A.Juruensis?

http://www.aquaticquotient.com/aq_g...ategory_id=10&sortby=&browsetype=Fish

 

[Mike Wise]

Hard to say for sure. I never like to use colors for identifications as a rule. The orange lips - so far - are only found on A. sp. Black-chin/Schwarzkinn. Blue lips - so far - are only found on A. juruensis. Since the true A. juruensis is very rare in the hobby & the fish has orange lips, I would say that Max's fish in the photo is A. sp. Black-chin.

 

[Zapisto]

in this case can i say that this may not be A.Juruensis?

http://www.aquaticquotient.com/aq_g...ategory_id=10&sortby=&browsetype=Fish

this fish is usually sell as A. cf juruensis

and if you check the name on the pics A. sp. juruensis .

i really think mike is rigth this fish is not a true A. juruensis.

Mike i will take some pics of a male i have here (wild) who seem to follow all your description of the true juruensis.

i am curious to know if it is one or not.

 

[kross]

Mike i will take some pics of a male i have here (wild) who seem to follow all your description of the true juruensis.

i am curious to know if it is one or not.

wow, i'm curious to know too.... pls post it here. :wink:

 

[Aquatico]

Kross, I cought that same fish on the Rio Nanay, Peru in 2001. Here is a pic. http://www.aquatico-stl.com/apistogrammaspaffjuruensisnanay1/

I have some pics of that same fish when it was mature. I will try to post them.

Don Atkinson

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[kross]

Don, you got a great fish there. However, base on Mike's description of a true A.Juruensis, it seems the like the lips aren't blue and i could almost see the dark patch on the chin.... then again, i could be wrong.

Would be nice if you can post its mature look...

 

[Mike Wise]

A. sp. Black-chin/Schwarzkinn comes from the Rio Nanay. I sure that Don's fish is this species.