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Yes the caudal spot is the one right in front of the caudal fin. I can see it in your pictures but not it's exact shape. The lateral spot is the one on the side of the body. As I said, if your fish never show two such side spots they are almost certainly wolli.
I can't see the shape of the caudal spot clearly (which is typically "D" shaped in wolli females) nor the black markings on the chest, which should look like in this drawing (taken from Römer's scientific description of A. wolli):
However, that your female only shows a single lateral spot...
Pictures of brooding females might be very helpful to decide whether they are in fact A. wolli, especially the shape of the caudal spot and the black markings on the chin and chest.
If they have been mixed in later (in Australia), they can be one of the A. cf. resticulosa forms (from Brazil) or A. sp. Steel-blue. In the latter case there should be a pattern of vertical stripes all over the male's caudal fin eventually.
It looks like a resticulosa-complex species. The only resticulosa-complex species from Peru I know is A. cf. resticulosa from the Rio Madre de Dios. However, the latter look a bit different than your fish. When you say they came with ortegai, do you mean with wild caught ortegai from Peru or...
It's one of the A. (cf.) ortegai forms, which one I can't tell for sure. Do you have pictures of females?
@Apistoguy52: ortegai-subcomplex species can also show split bars.
Good idea. However, there are so many very similar macmasteri-group species that it is often impossible to tell the exact species without knowing the exact catch location.
For completeness: I forgot another Ladislao-like species/form called A. sp. Maca. From the few photos of them that I have seen, it seems that males show pronounced red markings on the head and that their caudal pattern is rerstricted to a fan-like area in the middle of the caudal fin (similar to...
The photos are too blurry and I'm not particularly good in sexing, sorry.
Me too.
If adult males don't show any caudal pattern it's most likely A. sp. Amaya. If they show a caudal pattern but no red markings on the head, they may be A. sp. Ladislao 2 but of course it might also be less...
The fish in the second link are Ladislao 1 not 2 (unfortunatly there is a lot of confusion with the naming of the species/forms). The black dot in the middle (= lateral spot) is shown by all the Ladislao-like as well as the black ventral fin edges (see above).
In principle yes. Females show these black markings much more regularly and much more pronounced than males. The problem is that sneaker males also show them (to some exctend) and that these markings (like all other black markings) are mood dependent.
There are 4 similar forms/species: A. sp...
A. wolli is one of the species closely related to payaminonis, so it's very well possible that your fish are wolli. They are distinguished from payaminonis mostly by showing one lateral spot (instead of two), the shape of the females' caudal spot and some markings on the chin and chest area...
Even if you would tell what they are supposed to be, the best positive answer you could expect based on these photos would be "possible". There are simply too many, too similar nijsseni-group species.
So not telling us what they are supposed to be, but expecting that we tell you exactly what...