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pebas ""blue"?

Discussion in 'Identification and Morphology' started by OHR, Mar 21, 2010.

  1. OHR

    OHR Member 5 Year Member

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    Hi all
    I got some nice apistos a while back. During quarantine I managed to get my pebas and my papagei pair in the same tank, not a very "Wise" move :wink:

    Anyway, the females are good and both have spawned so their ID is certain.
    I belive this male is the pebas, only thing is that his anal and back fins are not as elongated as those on my suspected papagei male, and thats a bit odd is`nt it?:confused:
    http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/Pebas%20blue/DSC_0058.jpg
    http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/Pebas%20blue/DSC_0078.jpg
    http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/Pebas%20blue/DSC_0081.jpg
  2. Mike Wise

    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    I'm not sure. It might be A. sp. Papagei. Most Pebas forms have some pattern in the caudal fin. This fish does not. It would help to see the black markings on the caudal peduncle more clearly. What does the other male look like?
  3. OHR

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    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Well, the caudal patch isn't very visible on any of these photos, but from what I see, I would say that it is probably A. sp. Papagei. What does the other male look like, the one that you believe is A. sp. Papagei?
  5. OHR

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    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Well, this male is definitely A. sp. Papagei. The original one ... :confused: I probably would be more certain if I could see the male in its fright/submission pattern. Then the dark markings aren't hidden by all of the bright colors.
  7. OHR

    OHR Member 5 Year Member

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    I am 100% certain that I got one pair of papagei and one pair of pebas "blue", as they are F1 generation from being collected in Peru.
    So if the ID on the second male is correct, than the first one must be the pebas "blue". The female pebas shows two spots on one side and four on the other when in breeding dress, like the female in entry 25 here: http://forum.apistogramma.com/showthread.php?t=7982&highlight=pebas+"blue"
  8. Tom C

    Tom C Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    The fish comes from me.........

    This is the A. sp. "Pebas" ("Blue"), corresponding with the first fish in this thread: The actual fish, or siblings of the fish Ola (OHR) got:

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    As the A. sp. "Pebas" ("Morado"), the males of this form show a caudal fin (almost) without any pattern

    Another shot of a female:

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    So I think you've got it right now, OHR :)
    Good luck with them!
  9. OHR

    OHR Member 5 Year Member

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    Thanks Tom, They seem to thrive and spawn here and I do not want to breed hybrids.
    They are both really beautiful species with quite big and heavy set males.

    Again thanks for the fish you sent me, I`m really grateful.

    Have happy holiday to you all, regards from Ola