pebas ""blue"?

[OHR]

Hi all
I got some nice apistos a while back. During quarantine I managed to get my pebas and my papagei pair in the same tank, not a very "Wise" move :wink:

Anyway, the females are good and both have spawned so their ID is certain.
I belive this male is the pebas, only thing is that his anal and back fins are not as elongated as those on my suspected papagei male, and thats a bit odd is`nt it?
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/Pebas%20blue/DSC_0058.jpg
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/Pebas%20blue/DSC_0078.jpg
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/Pebas%20blue/DSC_0081.jpg

 

[Mike Wise]

I'm not sure. It might be A. sp. Papagei. Most Pebas forms have some pattern in the caudal fin. This fish does not. It would help to see the black markings on the caudal peduncle more clearly. What does the other male look like?

 

[OHR]

I am not sure if this will help, but here are some more pictures that hopefully shows the caudal peduncle better.
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/Pebas%20blue/DSC_0107.jpg
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/Pebas blue/DSC_0112.jpg
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/Pebas%20blue/DSC_0142.jpg

 

[Mike Wise]

Well, the caudal patch isn't very visible on any of these photos, but from what I see, I would say that it is probably A. sp. Papagei. What does the other male look like, the one that you believe is A. sp. Papagei?

 

[OHR]

Here are some pictures of the other male taken with my cellphone. If needed I will get some better ones later.


http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/papagei/DSC01897.jpg
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/papagei/DSC01900.jpg
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac66/or3/papagei/DSC01913.jpg

 

[Mike Wise]

Well, this male is definitely A. sp. Papagei. The original one ... I probably would be more certain if I could see the male in its fright/submission pattern. Then the dark markings aren't hidden by all of the bright colors.

 

[OHR]

I am 100% certain that I got one pair of papagei and one pair of pebas "blue", as they are F1 generation from being collected in Peru.
So if the ID on the second male is correct, than the first one must be the pebas "blue". The female pebas shows two spots on one side and four on the other when in breeding dress, like the female in entry 25 here: http://forum.apistogramma.com/showthread.php?t=7982&highlight=pebas+"blue"

 

[Tom C]

The fish comes from me.........

This is the A. sp. "Pebas" ("Blue"), corresponding with the first fish in this thread: The actual fish, or siblings of the fish Ola (OHR) got:

As the A. sp. "Pebas" ("Morado"), the males of this form show a caudal fin (almost) without any pattern

Another shot of a female:

So I think you've got it right now, OHR
Good luck with them!

 

[OHR]

Thanks Tom, They seem to thrive and spawn here and I do not want to breed hybrids.
They are both really beautiful species with quite big and heavy set males.

Again thanks for the fish you sent me, I`m really grateful.

Have happy holiday to you all, regards from Ola