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ID Assistance please

Discussion in 'Identification and Morphology' started by steph, Jun 20, 2010.

  1. steph

    steph New Member 5 Year Member

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    Hi All

    I have been offered a pair of A. atahualpa to buy. I havent actually seen them yet (they are a long way away) and only have one picture of the male - but to me I dont think its atahualpa - not sure what it is tho?

    Sorry about the quality of the photo, and I know you cant see the tail properly.

    EDIT: URL deleted as requested.

    I dont know the age but the pair has spawned successfully so definately sexually mature.

    Any ideas / comments welcome - even confirmation that its not atahualpa would be great.

    Cheers

    Steph
  2. Rod

    Rod Member 5 Year Member

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  3. steph

    steph New Member 5 Year Member

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    Hey Rod

    These fish are at fishchicks - have you seen them? Jodi said they had spawned, and from what I have read they are meant to be highly aggressive and Im surprised the male is still alive - her tanks are pretty tiny.

    If I look at the pic on page 359 of Cichlid Atlas 1 the dorsal black markings and the red around the pectoral fin and caudal peduncle and the face are quite similar. Definately not the real roman nose of atahualpa.

    Cheers

    Steph
  4. Rod

    Rod Member 5 Year Member

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    Ruki Member 5 Year Member

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    Your fish isn't an A. atahualpa definitely.
    Your fish is from A. regani complex, not A. cacatuoides like A. atahualpa.
    But I'm not sure what species you have.
  6. steph

    steph New Member 5 Year Member

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    My bible ..err.. Romers cichlid atlas says.. "the membranes of the anterior third of the dorsal fin are distinctly enlarged and pointed"

    Glad to give you an excuse :)

    Steph
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    Looks like my F0 Melgar.

    [​IMG]

    ....Bill
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    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    I agree with Bill (MonteSS). The fish in the first link is A. sp. Nanay/Melgar. The link in Rod's post isn't A. cruzi. A. cruzi doesn't have a caudal fin with rows of spots.
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    Hello Stephanie,
    we believe the fish to be A. sp. "Melgar" pg 934 Mergus Cichlid Atlas #2

    Please remove the photo - you do not have permission to use it and did not ask for permission to do so. The photographer is not impressed with this breach of copyright.

    Regards, Jodi-Lea
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    steph New Member 5 Year Member

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    Thanks every one for your help.

    The vendor got back to me this morning and said "have ID'd them as Apisto. sp "Melgar" pg 934 of Mergus CIchlid Atlas #2"

    Still a nice fish but not what I was after.

    Cheers

    Steph
  11. MonteSS

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    That was pretty rude Jodi-Lea. Not the best advertising for youe business IMHO. There was no "use" of your precious photo, mearly a link to the pic on the site. No copyright infringment was made.

    ...Bill
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    gingerbeer Member 5 Year Member

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    Steph, I feel bad having put you on to these fish that I saw them on the weekend and did think the ID was not quite right with the female in colour dress. I didn't think to let you know and am sorry.

    They are very nice fish and surprisingly quiet with fry towards each other.
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    Ok - I don't want to get into a heated debate Bill - but let it be known there WAS no link - the photo was sent in a private email for the sole use of the recipient. It WAS NOT my photo - but I was given permission to send to the potential purchaser for their use.
    There is a common misconception on the internet that any picture/video you see is public domain. This is not the case.
    Have a look at this link - it will shed some light.
    http://www.copyright.com.au/assets/documents/Copying and the Internet.pdf

    If at any stage you wish to use someone's photos for whatever reason it is polite to ask. Manners are definitely a dying art.

    Stephanie kindly removed the photo, so it's all good.

    Best regards, Jodi-Lea
  14. Rod

    Rod Member 5 Year Member

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    For the record.....

    checked them out.....very nice fish
    Male is about 70mm long female just under 50mm

    Lots of fry.....

    All happily cohabiting in a 300 cube!!!
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    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    You might be correct. Tom's fish from a pond near Picuruyacu, just outside of Iquitos, appears to be a color morph of Nanay/Melgar. It occurs within the range of other populations of Nanay/Melgar. Fish from ponds often appear to be more colorful. Please don't use the Picuruyacu name because you don't really know that it came from this location. Your fish is A. sp. Nanay/Melgar.