Help sexing Apistogramma cacatuoides

[jp3368]

Brought a couple of Apistogramma cacatuoides from my local fish shop and wondering if anyone could help to sex them. I'm not entirely sure if they are double red super red ect.

Thanks in advance

 

[jp3368]

Another picture of "dancing" perhaps

 

[MacZ]

Both male and both overbred. The pelvic fins are mere stumbs and the anal fins are also shortened. The dorsal also seems deformed in both.

So if your goal is breeding, get better stock and if you get a female and let it breed with one of them, please cull the offspring and do not let these get into the general gene pool.