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Cacatuoides Fry Instructions

Discussion in 'Husbandry / Breeding' started by Harrison, Oct 6, 2019.

  1. Harrison

    Harrison New Member

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    Hello! I have a pair of beautiful Cactuoides apistos that just hatched their second batch of fry. Last time their fry became free swimming, I had the two fish in a 29 gallon with dither pencil fish. I read on forums that the fry would be able to find food for themselves and that the mother exhibited strong parental care, so I did not feed or remove the fry from the tank. Now, I have a 10-gallon bare-bottom tank set up and cycled for the fry.

    This morning I discovered that the eggs all hatched and the mother moved the fry to a covered hole in a piece of driftwood - a great hiding spot! My question is - at what point should I move the fry (if at all) to my 10-g breeder?

    Should I feed the fry? If so, how long should I wait before feeding them? How often should they be fed? What type of food should I feed them? If anyone can provide me with a link to a fry food they have used successfully as well as directions for how to feed with it, I'd be very appreciative!

    Thank you for the help in advance!
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    yukondog Active Member

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    So right now there still feeding on the yoke sack, if you dont have any brine shrimp eggs to hatch now would be a good time to get some, I normally start feeding live baby brine shrimp at about 3-4 days they might not be able to eat it yet but it's there for them every day until they can, everybody in the tank will eat them so dont worry about them not being eaten. I use a turkey baster to target feed, there are plenty of you tube videos on hatching brine shrimp, it's very simple, and plenty of videos on raising apisto fry, just remember clean water, stay on top of you water changes and after a couple of batches you'll get the hang of it.Good luck
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    Harrison New Member

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    Hey, just to post a quick update on the Cacatuoides fry. This is my second ever batch of fry and I could not be happier with the results. The fry are now a month old, and there are probably 50 of them! I’ll try to post a picture.

    I’m not quite sure why the fry have been so successful. Maybe it’s the bbs that I spot feed with a syringe 2 times a day?

    as a side note, for those that say that pencil fish don’t have large enough mouths to eat fry, I beg to differ. A few weeks ago I saw one of my pencil fish swim over and grab one of the fry! Obviously this was inconsequential, though, because there are still upwards of 50 fry left.
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    Picture - 1 month-old Cacatuoides fry

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    Picture - 1month old caca fry

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  6. Mike Wise

    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    N. beckfordi are about the only pencilfish I avoid placing with breeding apistos. Which species do you have?
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    Harrison New Member

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    Mike, you’re right on. That’s really impressive. I have 6 N. beckfordi in the aquarium. For the most part, the mom does a great job of chasing off anyone that gets too close.
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    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    I prefer N. marginatus (easy to reproduce in apisto breeding tanks!) and the 'angle-swimming' pencils N. eques and N. unifasciatus.
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    Interesting conversation. I had a pair of Macmasteri doing nothing much for a few weeks, until I added the pencil fish. At that point they spawned and everyone is still in the same tank about a month later; mum, dad, fry and three pencil fish.

    I'm curious to know which species of pencil fish I have. Can someone please ID them for me?

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    dw1305 Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Update:

    The fry are now 5 weeks old and there are still around 50 of them. I just noticed that the mom laid a new batch of eggs... from reading several forums, this is the time to move the fry to a grow out tank, correct?
    I have a 10 gallon bare-bottom that’s been cycling for 3 months, prepared for these fry. Is there anything I should put in the tank to provide hiding spaces for the fry? What’s the best way to move the fry to the 10 gallon grow out tank? Should I leave a few fry behind with the mom?

    thanks in advance!
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    dw1305 Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Hi all,
    Yes.
    I'm a bit worried about this. Do you mean you have a bare tank and have been adding ammonia to cycle the filter? If you do, I'd definitely add a lot of floating plants, some structural leaf litter and a <"thin layer of sand">.

    There has been a lot of scientific advances in nitrification in recent times. Have a look a through <"Clay like ....."> and linked threads.

    cheers Darrel