Apistogramma sp. "Schwarzkehl/Black-throat"

[Tom C]

I got some A. sp. "Schwarzkehl/Black-throat" from Steve1572 a few weeks ago, and they are marvellous!

After settling in, the male immediately tried to make himself attractive for the female.

After a while, the female showed a blackish throat:

and after a few days more, her throat became completely black:

and she showed me her brood :biggrin: :

Thank you, Steve!

 

[RAF]

Do you use Viagra on your water Tom?

Congrats... they're wonderful!

 

[Josh]

Wow - the color change on that fish is spectacular! Great job capturing it and thank you for sharing!

 

[Cichlid Junkie]

Beautiful fish. Thanks for sharing.

 

[slimbolen99]

Looking great Tom. It's difficult to see, but does the male have an extended dorsal extensions in the front? Just curious.

 

[AndySch]

Hi Tom

they looking great.

Can you give me an adress, i´m looking for these Fish since 4 years

 

[Mike Wise]

Looking great Tom. It's difficult to see, but does the male have an extended dorsal extensions in the front? Just curious.

I think you are thinking of the wrong species. These are not Schwarzkinn/Black-chin (cacatuoides-group). These are Schwarzkehl/Black-throat (macmasteri-group), the species labeled "A. viejita Color Form III" in Linke & Staeck's book.

 

[slimbolen99]

I just couldn't tell if the A. Schwarzkehl/Black-throat had that characteristic or not.

 

[Tom C]

Do you use Viagra on your water Tom?

Of course, Ricardo, don't you? :biggrin:
How are your A. borellii doing?

...It's difficult to see, but does the male have an extended dorsal extensions in the front? Just curious.

I would say slightly extended:

....Can you give me an adress, i´m looking for these Fish since 4 years

Their original address is between Villavicencio and Restrepo, Colombia :biggrin:
Let's eventually take this by pm or email....

Quite amazing to observe how she played "hard to get", no matter how hard he tried. Even when he "lifted" her up, she totally ignored him:

 

[ste12000]

Lovely pictures as usual Tom..

What are the diagnostic features of this fish against A.macmasteri outside of broodcare? in the last picture these to me look just like the wild A.macmasteri i have just imported!

Hope your well and see you soon.

 

[AndySch]

Hi Tom,

on wich way isnt the problem, you can send me here an PM, you can also send me an Email.

The problem is, in Germany we are many people who looking for these cichlids, i will wait for your message

 

[AndySch]

Hi

@ste12000

macmasterie WF can A. spec Schwarzkehl (viejita Form 3) includes.

The diagnostic feature are:

white Ventrale

(macs always orange)

no red points on head

one dark big spot on the side of male

female A. spec schwarzkehl have one black stripe between mouth and anale

 

[INPUT4YOU]

Wow!

Nice pictures and lovely apistos!

I hope, you tell us more and send pictures too.

Best regards

Andreas

(Germany - Cologne)

 

[steve1572]

This is a couple of videos when i had the pair
[video=youtube_share;zld3g3DqGyo]http://youtu.be/zld3g3DqGyo[/video]
[video=youtube_share;kgnbScXX4NI]http://youtu.be/kgnbScXX4NI[/video]

 

[AndySch]

Hi Steve,

do you have these Fishes anymore? Can you show the male?

We search for these fishes since "many" years, how can we get a few from them?

 

[steve1572]

no mate they are the fish tom c now has in the photos on this thread

Hi Steve,



do you have these Fishes anymore? Can you show the male?

We search for these fishes since "many" years, how can we get a few from them?

 

[Tom Rudolph]

hey at all,

nice to meet you andy :biggrin:

I´m a part of the German group which is searching for a.viejita since a long time. There´s no way to get these fishes on the German market. The German market offers a lot of fishes which named as "A.viejita".

Unfortunately, all of these fishes are macs! Mostly in a special breeded color with a lot of red or orange parts.

It would be great to get a group of the "real" species to breed and arrange them in Germany.

 

[steve1572]

If i can find a courier i can send you about 50 to Germany

 

[Tom C]

... What are the diagnostic features of this fish against A.macmasteri outside of broodcare? in the last picture these to me look just like the wild A.macmasteri i have just imported!......

Hello Ste,

I.Koslowski actually considered the A. sp. "Schwarzkehl/Black-throat" to be A. viejita back in 1980! He reconsidered later.....

Some features:
- Compared to wild A.macmasteri, A. sp. "Schwarzkehl/Black-throat" has a more elongated body shape.
- It has a narrow zigzag-like lateral band without distinct flank spots, while A. macmasteri has a zigzag-like lateral band only in the posterior part)
- abdominal stripes missing
- Colors are different: dorsal fin is bluish in the spiny region and edged in red in the soft rayed part. The back is olive colored, the abdomen whitish.
- Dorsal and anal fin tips usually longer than on wild A. macmasteri on adult specimens
- Of course the females' black throat is very special, when breeding.

It would be nice if this is actually the fish you've got!
This species was collected, in 1982 and 1992 , between Villavicencio and Restrepo. This is exactly where the type series of A. macmasteri comes from (it is no longer found there).
It is therefor not unlikely that collectors believe that they have collected A. macmasteri, and sell their fish under this name, when they've been collecting at this location.

Hope to see you soon!

....The problem is, in Germany we are many people who looking for these cichlids, i will wait for your message

Well, no need for a message. Steve has now confirmed that he has a lot of young ones. The only other source for this species, other than me, that I know of, could be the person who put lots of pictures in this thread on the BCA-forum.

....I´m a part of the German group which is searching for a.viejita since a long time. There´s no way to get these fishes on the German market. The German market offers a lot of fishes which named as "A.viejita".

Unfortunately, all of these fishes are macs! Mostly in a special breeded color with a lot of red or orange parts.

It would be great to get a group of the "real" species to breed and arrange them in Germany.

I suppose you know that A. sp. "Schwarzkehl/Black-throat" is closely related to, but not the same species, as A. viejita?

 

[AndySch]

Hi Tom,

thanks for these link,

A. spec. Schwarzkehl = A. viejita III (Steak/Linke)