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Apisto. cacatuoides

Discussion in 'Dwarf Cichlids' started by wethumbs, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. wethumbs

    wethumbs Active Member 5 Year Member

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    Most people know that a "triple red" is one with red/black pattern on all the unpaired fins. How about one with the pattern on the pelvic fins as well. Even the females show full patterns on all unpaired fins.

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  2. Mike Wise

    Mike Wise Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Quadruple Red, maybe? So when will they produce an all red strain? :)
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    Bilbo Member 5 Year Member

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    Its the first time I have seen that. I am sure it will be a hit with the masses
  4. gerald

    gerald Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Pretty cool, but I'm waiting for the bubble-eye double-tail lion-head balloon glo-cacatuoides.
    Do your females get red in the fins around the same age as males, or not until they're 1.5-2+ yrs old?
  5. wethumbs

    wethumbs Active Member 5 Year Member

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    Are you guys making fun of my fish?! Sexing them is very hard when small since both males and females have the patterns on all unpaired fins. The red on the ventral fins does not show up until the males get larger.
  6. gerald

    gerald Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Nah - your fish are lovely and I have no problem with selecting to enhance more-or-less natural colors. I'm making fun of what "ornamental fish" breeders are PROBABLY trying to do to cacatu's, like what they've done to rams and discus.
  7. apistodave

    apistodave Member Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Yur welcome--I told the guy it's normal---it's my color form and I'M proud of them--aint none here in the States that are better. You cant judge the sex just on the colors alone--the dead giveaway is the fact that the doubted fish--has no dorsal lappets--that's a trait I look for and I have some males with lappets that dont stand straight up--- and wave in the current.
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    aquaticclarity Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    A strain of triple red cacatuoides I got from Germany (possibly sibling strain to Dave's) have the ventral fins show up with red now and again but only on one fin at a time! And it could be either the left or right side but I've yet to have one have both fins get the color and patern. It reminds me of a nice male A. sp. Black Chin were wild fish can have the black and yellow patern like that.
  9. apistodave

    apistodave Member Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Who'd ya get them from--Mine originally came from Uwe and then Frank and Nadja Wilhelm mixed in. This last year I got some from Joachim in Holland
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    aquaticclarity Moderator Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    To removed from the actual breeder to know who bred them, sorry!
  11. wethumbs

    wethumbs Active Member 5 Year Member

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    Since these are my fish, I can tell you all that they are NOT from Dave. These are all from oversea. They may look like Dave's since they probably came from the same sources.

    The pelvic patterns usually are only on one of the two but I do have males with both pelvic patterns. The pattern on the pelvic develops late too. The same male in the picture has its pattern extended further down the pelvic already.
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    mcintosh New Member 5 Year Member

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    Very beautiful fish, great job on enhancing an already beautiful fish.
  13. wethumbs

    wethumbs Active Member 5 Year Member

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    Unlike someone who shall remain nameless , I take no credit in enhancing this strain. However, I have noticed that 1 out of 20 males has patterns on both pelvic fins. These would have all unpaired fins fully covered in patterns as well. Truely a spectacular looking fish and none to its equal anywhere. I would also get males with patterns on either pelvic fin at a ratio of 1 out of 5. These would also have full patterns on all unpaired fins. The rest would be the typical "Triple-Red" with some patterns on all unpaired fins and clear pelvic. In a nutshell, there are three grades of "Triple-Red".

    Obviously, I continue to select the 1st grade males for breeding in hope of improving the 1/20 ratio.
  14. wethumbs

    wethumbs Active Member 5 Year Member

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    Ok..here is the proof on the "Triple-Red" with full patterns on all unpaired fins and both pelvic fins. Both pictures are of the same male. He is just over 3 months old. Surely the best looking "Triple-Red" you will ever see. I will clean the glass abit next time and get some even better pictures of a tank full of them.


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    Do any of your triple reds show darker coloration in the body, with hints of greens and blues?
  16. apistodave

    apistodave Member Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Well that's nice can I buy some Mark.
  17. wethumbs

    wethumbs Active Member 5 Year Member

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    I took the pictures in the dark with a strong direct flash, that's why the body color looks washout. Not the best pictures but still show off the intense patterns and colors of the fin. Oh, and they are not from Mark.
  18. wethumbs

    wethumbs Active Member 5 Year Member

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    More pictures...

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    apistodave Member Staff Member 5 Year Member

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    Nice fish here too.

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    dw1305 Well-Known Member 5 Year Member

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    Hi all,
    Personally I wish people ignored colour all together and just bred for healthy fish with a good body shape, but I think a few people have bred A. cacatuoides with colour on all their fins.

    These were bred by a UK Apistogramma keeper "Steve1572", who keeps and breeds a wide range of Apistogramma species and forms.

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    From <http://www.britishcichlid.org.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4840>

    cheers Darrel