Any trick to get a. ladisalo to breed ?

[anewbie]

My a. ladisalo don't seem to want to breed so i was wondering if anyone has been successful and if there is some trick. I presume they are a blackwater fish and temp should be around 76-77.

I have two groups - one is a male/female in a 29 - in that aquarium i ahve some m. egregius frys in a plastic krib and the female spends all day guarding it and chasing away any fish that approach. other fishes in the tank include some emerald eye rasbora, n. marylinae and 4 or 5 otto.

The other group consist of 4 females and 2 male in a 40B. I think the temp is 75 to 77 i have to double check. The other fishes include some kubotai rasbora and some young sword tails (less than 1/2 inch) and maybe something else at the top.

Fishes i have been successful breeding:
a. sp winkelfleck
a. sp Blutkehl
a. wolli
chocolate cichild
mesonauta egregius
and about a dozen others
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Anyway I'm not sure if anyone on this forum has bred them and if there was some magic whatever that trigger breeding desire. Mind you i don't want them to all breed constantly but one decent spawn would be nice.

 

[Mazan]

I haven't bred them - but maybe put all together so they can select their own mates? (if the males don't try to kill each other?). Have you tried raising the temperature to around 80-82F?

 

[anewbie]

I haven't bred them - but maybe put all together so they can select their own mates? (if the males don't try to kill each other?). Have you tried raising the temperature to around 80-82F?

Well in the 40 i have 2 or 3 males with 5 females - the 29 group were ones i had put with the IB. I do believe the other female with the IB was the more dominant but she does not want to leave

 

[Mike Wise]

Never kept Ladislo. Not in my interest zone like many other species. I'm a bit jaded I guess. But I can see several possibilities. The tank with the "pair" might not be a breeding pair and/or the female has substituted the M. egreius fry for her own fry. The 40 breeder is rather full and busy, not the best for breeding. It's also possible that some or all have been unsuccessful at raising fry and not interested it trying again. They are a nijsseni-group species after all.

 

[anewbie]

Never kept Ladislo. Not in my interest zone like many other species. I'm a bit jaded I guess. But I can see several possibilities. The tank with the "pair" might not be a breeding pair and/or the female has substituted the M. egreius fry for her own fry. The 40 breeder is rather full and busy, not the best for breeding. It's also possible that some or all have been unsuccessful at raising fry and not interested it trying again. They are a nijsseni-group species after all.

I'm curious what falls into your interest zone; but having said that to my knowledge the ones in the 40 have never bred. They guy basically sent me the left overs so the only way to thin it down would be to swap them with the pair in the 29.

I'll remove the ME frys in the next few days - need to find space for a 10. Not sure how it will impact her - she does have a nice 'cave' under a piece of drift wood where she retires at night.

 

[Mike Wise]

My interest now is mostly species maintenance of species not commercially available. Call me jaded but I'm only interested fish in which I know where they were collected and not available commercially. I've been keeping A. wollii for 12 years now from stock that I collected in Peru. Only last year was it available commercially, but it's location is so far off the trade routes that I doubt it will ever be commonly available through commercial sources. I also keep A. sp. (aff. luelingi) "Cristal", which I also brought back from Peru 12 years ago. As far as I know it was only commercially imported once into Europe. I also keep A. sp. "Wangenflecken" because it was one of my first apisto species back in the 1970s - and I like them. What would I like in my tanks now? Well, one would be A. cf. sp. "Mitu (Red-belly), but it's only in Europe AFAIK and it would be very difficult Tom to ship them here.

 

[anewbie]

My interest now is mostly species maintenance of species not commercially available. Call me jaded but I'm only interested fish in which I know where they were collected and not available commercially. I've been keeping A. wollii for 12 years now from stock that I collected in Peru. Only last year was it available commercially, but it's location is so far off the trade routes that I doubt it will ever be commonly available through commercial sources. I also keep A. sp. (aff. luelingi) "Cristal", which I also brought back from Peru 12 years ago. As far as I know it was only commercially imported once into Europe. I also keep A. sp. "Wangenflecken" because it was one of my first apisto species back in the 1970s - and I like them. What would I like in my tanks now? Well, one would be A. cf. sp. "Mitu (Red-belly), but it's only in Europe AFAIK and it would be very difficult Tom to ship them here.

How many aquariums does it take to do species maintenance? i presume you need enough for genetic diversity so i am just blindly assuming you have several independent lines that you cross breed ?

 

[Mike Wise]

I started with 6 specimens and cross-bred offsprings of multiple spawns back and forth. I'm also very selective about breeders. Like pure-bred dogs, which have set standards, I only breed specimens that conform to my original wild specimens. Right now I have 2 tanks with A. wolli and will add another next week for a pair from 2 different spawns. I also have 2 breeding tanks with Cristal pairs - and a grow-out tank where a female spawned before I could put her in a breeding tank. So I need to set up her and a male in their own tank. I have 25 tanks in my breeding system not counting a 40B community and a couple of tanks for breeding pencils + a quarantine/holding tank. I have more tanks but these are enough to keep me busy!

 

[anewbie]

I started with 6 specimens and cross-bred offsprings of multiple spawns back and forth. I'm also very selective about breeders. Like pure-bred dogs, which have set standards, I only breed specimens that conform to my original wild specimens. Right now I have 2 tanks with A. wolli and will add another next week for a pair from 2 different spawns. I also have 2 breeding tanks with Cristal pairs - and a grow-out tank where a female spawned before I could put her in a breeding tank. So I need to set up her and a male in their own tank. I have 25 tanks in my breeding system not counting a 40B community and a couple of tanks for breeding pencils + a quarantine/holding tank. I have more tanks but these are enough to keep me busy!

Yes - i can see that would be more than enough though i suspect you have some automation. I only have 14 tanks and i think that is all i want. I do prefer larger aquariums as i'm finding 65s and 90s work better for apisto families than 29.

 

[Mike Wise]

Automation?? The only automation I have is me! I do regular water changes often with gravel cleaning. Since my house is old and the sewer line is above the basement floor, I siphon tank water into a 30 gallon bin and pump the water into a utility sink with a sump pump. Water changes in softwater tanks uses another submersible pump and hose from the softwater holding tank. Other aquaria that don't get soft water, get water straight from the utility sink faucet with a hose - and dechlorinator. This is how I've been doing it for about 30 years. Before that it was "the ol' bucket brigade". I once had 50+ tanks running using only buckets. Submersible pumps sure make life easer.

 

[anewbie]

Automation?? The only automation I have is me! I do regular water changes often with gravel cleaning. Since my house is old and the sewer line is above the basement floor, I siphon tank water into a 30 gallon bin and pump the water into a utility sink with a sump pump. Water changes in softwater tanks uses another submersible pump and hose from the softwater holding tank. Other aquaria that don't get soft water, get water straight from the utility sink faucet with a hose - and dechlorinator. This is how I've been doing it for about 30 years. Before that it was "the ol' bucket brigade". I once had 50+ tanks running using only buckets. Submersible pumps sure make life easer.

Well i've heard of people with automation. I use a 40 gallon pail and i do have a pipe with ro water so i can run a hose to refill but I've seen stores with some automation and one day we will have little robots that can move from tank to tank and do this

 

[Mazan]

Well i've heard of people with automation. I use a 40 gallon pail and i do have a pipe with ro water so i can run a hose to refill but I've seen stores with some automation and one day we will have little robots that can move from tank to tank and do this

That would be boring! And you might miss something interesting going on in the tanks! I used to use buckets but now, with a couple of quite big tanks, I use a siphon out into the garden and hosepipe in. except recently the dwarf pike cichlids tank where I am preparing the water first - buckets again...

 

[Henry_Tan]

I am having a pair of A. Ladislao. The male was chasing the female like 2 mths non stop. The female was smart enough to seek shelter in the Java fern. When she grew up .she wanted to use a small cave to lay eggs. Kept them with 6 ember tetras. Working well for them

 

[anewbie]

I believe there are different species called sp a. ladislao. With my species there isn't much of any chasing.

 

[anewbie]

So the female in the 40b laid eggs; not sure if they are fertilized yet. I actually saw the breeding pair preparing to spawn. The ones in the 40b had shown no interest in spawning so i moved one of the extra female from the 40b into the 29; naturally the female already in the 29 didn't take kindly and flared a lot (no actual attacks). So we will see how it goes. Unfortunately i snagged the wrong female from the 40b; no not the one that laid eggs but other dominant female who hangs out on the other side.