A little Quiz...

[Rolo]

Hi guys,

just for fun... can you identify all fishes? ;-)

Books are allowed... but don't look at our homepage, that's too easy. ;-)

...and try to answer without reading the other answers before. Make it by your own. ...it's more interesting.

It doesn't matter, if you know just a few... that's pretty normal. ..but you can learn by that!

Have fun...

greetings,
Rolo

P.S. if you like it... I have more ;-)

 

[fishgeek]

oh oh i surprised myself by thinking i knew 5 of the first 6 then it went a bit pair shaped
1- hongsloi
2- bitaeniata
3- nijenssi
4- aggie
5- ?
6- inka or baenschi , are they synonymous?
9- trifasciata
11- macmasteri
12 blackfaced aggie? was just talked about in photo section, dont you hate that


andrew
did i pass

 

[Peter Lovett1]

1- hongsloi
2- bitaeniata
3- nijenssi
4- aggie
5- ?
6- Harlequin
7-?
8- steindachneri
9- trifasciata
10-?
11- macmasteri
12-wilhelmi
13- elisabethae
14 - eremopyge
15 - Victoriano

 

[zmirek]

1- hongsloi
2- bitaeniata
3 - norberti?
4 - pulchra?
5 - macmasteri female?
6 - baenschi
7- sp. Rot punkt"?
8 - hipolithae
9 - trifasciata
10 -
11 - macmasteri
12 - sp. Abacaxis
13 - elisabethae
14 - eremnopyge
15 - ?

 

[Mike Wise]

Hey Rolo,

Is if fair for me to "guess"?

 

[Rolo]

Hi Mike,

Is if fair for me to "guess"?

Wait a little bit.... you can solve it at the end ;-)
But I have two more of them... and THIS one is the easiest ;-)

greetings,
Rolo

 

[mummymonkey]

01 hongsloi
02 bitaeniata
03 nijsseni
04 agassizi
05 mcmasteri (female)
06 panduro
07
08 hippolytae
09 trifasciata
10 eunotus
11 viejita
12 pulchra
13 elizabethae
14 eremnopyge
15 atahualpa/sunset

Number 7 looks interesting!

 

[Rolo]

Some more guesses?

Highest score at the moment is mummymonkey with 10 correct answers.

(Peter: 9 (but I never heard the name "Victoriano" What's that?),
Mirek: 8,
Andrew: 4 (yes, Inka and baenschi are synonymous) )

...but all together, you already have 14 out of 15 identified ;-)

greetings,
Rolo

 

[Peter Lovett1]

"Victoriano" its a colour morph of atahualpa/sunset

 

[starforsaken]

1. hongsloii
2. bitaeniata
3. nijsseni
4. agassizii
5. viejita female
6. Harlequin
7. sp vielfleck
8. hippolytae
9. maciliensis
10. eunotus female
11. eunotus male
12. wilhelmi
13. elizabethae
14. eremnopyge
15. atahualpa

 

[Rolo]

"Victoriano" its a colour morph of atahualpa/sunset

Ok, then you have 10 points ;-)

and starforsaken: 9 pts.

But now, every species is identified at least once.

So Mike... now you ;-)

greetings,
Rolo

 

[Peter Lovett1]

Well I think 10 is not bad considering no book and 5 mins may be i should have taken longer.

 

[Rolo]

Well I think 10 is not bad considering no book and 5 mins may be i should have taken longer.

absolutely not.... that's pretty good.

greetings,
Rolo

 

[Peter Lovett1]

The only complex I would say I say i was very good on is the nijsseni
complex so i hope i got them right also the pulchra looks very much like a aggie other than the tail at a quick glance an easy mistake.

 

[Mike Wise]

OK here are my guesses. Some I am not certain because they do not show enough features to separate the from other closely related species:

A. cf. hongsloi - a cross between A. hongsloi (Rotstrich) & some closely related form.
A. bitaeniata
A. nijsseni
A. pulchra (from the Arapuanã?)
?A. macmasteri female
A. sp. Harlequin/Harlekin
A. sp. Vielfleck/Multi-spot
A. steindachneri
A. trifasciata (probably a Guaporé form)
?A. cf. eunotus Orangeschwanz/Orange-tail
?A. viejita (are the dorsal tips red??)
A. sp. Abacaxis (=Wilhelmi)
A. sp. elzabethae
A. eremnopyge
A. atahualpa

 

[Rolo]

Pretty good, Mike ....I would say: ALL correct. Congratulation!

So I don't have to solve it anymore ;-)

A. cf. hongsloi - a cross between A. hongsloi (Rotstrich) & some closely related form.

Well, why that? Ist a "normal" breeding form of A. hongsloi, as far as I know.

A. pulchra (from the Arapuanã?)

I bought them as "Xingu", but it's probably a crossbreeding of Xingú and Aripuaná.

A. trifasciata (probably a Guaporé form)

Yes, it's the Guaporé form

?A. viejita (are the dorsal tips red??)

Yes, but it's a pretty dark red.

greetings,
Rolo

P.S. are you ready for another one? ... will make a new thread for it.

 

[Mike Wise]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Wise
A. cf. hongsloi - a cross between A. hongsloi (Rotstrich) & some closely related form.



Well, why that? Ist a "normal" breeding form of A. hongsloi, as far as I know.

The true (holotype form) of A. hongsloi does not have any red on the body (Read the life color description by the collector in the original description!). The Rotstrich/Red-streak form is almost certainly a highly colorful form of the A. hongsloi holotype form. Both are from Colombia. The Rotstrich form (from the wild) has not red markings on the face. The fish pictured has red facial markings that probably came from crossing the Rotstrich form with another hongsloi-like fish with red facial markings originating in Venezuela (A. cf. hongsloi Rio Claro, A. cf. hongsloi Maripa, A. cf. hongsloi Capanaparo).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Wise
A. pulchra (from the Arapuanã?)



I bought them as "Xingu", but it's probably a crossbreeding of Xingú and Aripuaná.

The fish pictured does not match A. sp. Blaugspiegel/Blue-spangle. Blauspiegel has a narrower lateral band than A. pulchra. It also shows a "false caudal spot" in which the lateral band shrinks to almost nothing & then expands into a broad rectangular patch on the base of the tail. I believe you might be correct about the crossing. Koslowski (2002) shows a fish almost identical to your fish. He calls it a cross between an A. pulchra (Aripuanã) female & a Blauspiegel male.

P.S. are you ready for another one? ... will make a new thread for it.

I say yes. It is a fun way to learn how to identify apistos!

 

[Rolo]

The true (holotype form) of A. hongsloi does not have any red on the body (Read the life color description by the collector in the original description!). The Rotstrich/Red-streak form is almost certainly a highly colorful form of the A. hongsloi holotype form. Both are from Colombia. The Rotstrich form (from the wild) has not red markings on the face. The fish pictured has red facial markings that probably came from crossing the Rotstrich form with another hongsloi-like fish with red facial markings originating in Venezuela (A. cf. hongsloi Rio Claro, A. cf. hongsloi Maripa, A. cf. hongsloi Capanaparo).

That's interesting. There we have another paper, you could send me *g*
I dont't have the description of A. hongsloi yet (but I'll likely get it in about two month, when I'll visit Ingo.)
But anyway, it ist of course quite supposable, that there are some similar species are mixed together at all these colorful breeding forms, but it don't have to. It's also possible, that some characteristics like red facial markings are genetically present also in wild forms who do not show them, so you can enforce them by selective breeding. ... I guess.

The fish pictured does not match A. sp. Blaugspiegel/Blue-spangle. Blauspiegel has a narrower lateral band than A. pulchra. It also shows a "false caudal spot" in which the lateral band shrinks to almost nothing & then expands into a broad rectangular patch on the base of the tail. I believe you might be correct about the crossing. Koslowski (2002) shows a fish almost identical to your fish. He calls it a cross between an A. pulchra (Aripuanã) female & a Blauspiegel male.

Yes, I know the pictures of the cross between Aripuaná and Blauspiegel and indeed, they are very similar. But Ingo knows my pulchra, because I got them from his "housebreeder" W. Krämer a few years ago. So I got this info from Ingo and from Volker B. respectively. Therefore it shouldn't be Blauspiegel crossbreedings.

greetings,
Rolo

 

[Mike Wise]

If they are Krämer's fish, & Koslowski & Bohnet say they are Blauspiegel, then I am sure that they are Blauspiegel!

 

[Rolo]

If they are Krämer's fish, & Koslowski & Bohnet say they are Blauspiegel, then I am sure that they are Blauspiegel!

..... I will ask ;-)

greetings,
Rolo