Presentation of my new fish

[shoshone]

Hi all,
i present you a couple Apistogramma panduro and a couple Apistogramma sp vielfleck.
All are f1


Mr panduro

Ms panduro

Mr sp vielfleck

Ms sp vielfleck

 

[Mike Wise]

Were your A. sp. Vielfleck sold as Vielfleck or with some other name? They don't really show all of the spots typical of the Vielfleck population of A. sp. Xingu. They look more like the "A. sp. aff. Peixoto" population of A. sp. Xingu. I can be wrong, of course, the body markings can change depending on the mood of the fish.

 

[henkh]

Nice pics and nice habitat for the apisto's. Was a moment doubting if ms vielfleck was a miss or maybe juvenile male....

 

[shoshone]

The sold name was sp. vielfleck.
This photos were taken two days after arrival, maybe a stress coloration.
I'll watch if spots appears in the next weeks and i ll send news photos.
Little question: the two species having the same water need, right ?

 

[shoshone]

Nice pics and nice habitat for the apisto's

Thanks henkh and i hope you doubt is wrong for Ms.:wink:

 

[Mike Wise]

Little question: the two species having the same water need, right ?

They are not separate species. A. sp. Vielfleck, A. sp. aff. Peixoto, A. sp. Samaúa, and A. sp. Xingu are all one species.

 

[shoshone]

Thanks for the precision Mike.
Why are there different names and not one with the fishing place ?

 

[Mike Wise]

You can ask the same for many species. Why did scientist describe A. borellii (A. reitzigi, A. rondoni, A. aequipinnis, A. ritense) under different names? We can do the same with A. bitaeniata (A. kleei, A. klausewitzi, A. sweglesi). If scientist don't recognize different populations as the same species, should we expect exporters/hobbyists to be more experienced? All of the forms of A. sp. Xingu show different spotting patterns and were collected from different locations along the lower Rio Xingu. It is a polychromatic species.

 

[shoshone]

I agree with your arguments Mike.
Despite this, I hope one day we will have a ranking of Apistogramma simpler, more accurate. As the species name followed by a different name specifying what chromatic-form it is a question for example.

 

[Mike Wise]

My species list on TomC's site: http://apisto.sites.no/page.aspx?PageId=118 is my attempt to list all of the species and 'forms' that might be separate species. I also include many of the common names used for the same species/form. Is it 100% accurate? Probably not. Will everyone agree with my list? Absolutely not! Still, it is an attempt based on decades of study and experience with this genus. I am always willing to discuss my ideas with anyone - beginner, experienced, or professional.

 

[rafael]

Hello.

I wanted to ask about the character of A. sp. "Vielfleck" in a community tank.

Thanks in advance,

Rafael.

 

[shoshone]

i have seen this work before.
And it's a remarquable and a great work Mike.
It's easy to find in this table. By cons it's more difficult to find on a lost page (?)

 

[shoshone]

Hello.

I wanted to ask about the character of A. sp. "Vielfleck" in a community tank.

Thanks in advance,

Rafael.

Hi,
It' s a very calm apistogramma.
One of easiest to maintain for me

 

[shoshone]

Hi all,

News photos with natural light. We can see the real colors of vielfleck/sp. aff. peixoto

And the panduro

I love the panduro female

 

[Mike Wise]

Your A. sp. Xingu still look like the 'A. sp. aff. Peixoto' form to me. The 'Vielfleck' form should show at least 3 - 4 long horizontal rows of spots along the flanks, as well as many dark brown blotch on the head. Your fish show few spots on the flanks and almost no blotches on the head.

 

[shoshone]

I agree with you Mike. Thanks for the confirmation.